PeytonManning
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Sweeter than candy!
TrysHard's Hydro Grandaddy Blueberry Indica Grow 2014
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TrysHard
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Thank You 60cal
SmokerJoe, thank you very much.
I will try unfortunately, my night is day here, I am trying to run the AC constantly to help dry out the air and reduce temps, but with outside temps starting to go up.
If I get 6x what you got with 1 plant then I will be happy.
Clones will be quicker, I will order the clones today.
You got that right!
Thanks for the praise everyone.
DC420
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I hope you do get as much as me on each plant. My BB was 5' tall from the soil. It looks like yours are around 4ft. When i figure out the best pots/totes to use for AIS i will make a guide for all. With your 1000 watt hps omg you should be getting 8-10 oz a plant easy. mine is at 14 oz(395.8 grams) and 85% dry so i could loose another 2-4 oz in water weight. also i started using azomite in my soil( 1/4 cup per 5 gallons of soil mix) and mono potassium phosphate at 1 tsp per gallon of water then divided into 4 more gallons of nute mix. That really helps the buds plump up big time. I use the MPP starting at week 4 of flower. its cheap and worth every penny.
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TrysHard
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Well if I get 10oz a plant which would 3.75 lbs out of a 4x4 would be awsome. 5 OZ per plant would close to 2 lbs. So yeah I think I'm going to be happy, I want at least a pound.
SmokerJoe
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Here is what I found on mono potassium phosphate
Mono-Potassium Phosphate 0-52-34
Multi-MKP is a fully water-soluble mono-potassium phosphate fertilizer, a highly efficient source of
phosphorus and potassium for plants. As a nitrogen-free fertilizer, Multi-MKP is the preferred source of
phosphorus and potassium when nitrogen fertilization should be limited. A common case is at early
growing season, when phosphorus and potassium are needed at high rates for the establishment of root
system. Application of Multi-MKP at the productive stages of sugar-rich fruit crops helps to increase sugar
content and to improve the quality of these.
Multi-MKP can be applied in combination with other fertilizers to meet crop nutritional needs throughout
the growth cycle.
Its high purity and water-solubility make Multi-MKP an ideal fertilizer for fertigation and for foliar
application. Additionally, Multi-MKP is suitable for preparation of fertilizer blends and production of liquid
fertilizers. When applied as foliar spray, Multi-MKP acts as a suppressor of powdery mildew.
Product analysis
Nutrient Content (%)
P2O5 52%
P 22.7%
K2O 34%
K 28.7%
Water solubility
The solubility of Multi-MKP is enhanced by increase in water temperature, as shown in the following table.
Water temperature (oC) 0 10 20 30 40
Solubility (g/100g water) 14.8 18.3 22.6 28.0 33.5
pH and EC
Multi-MKP has a moderately low pH that remains almost constant at different concentrations.
Concentration (%) 0.1 0.2 0.3 1.0 5.0
pH 4.8 4.7 4.7 4.6 4.4
The electrical conductivity (EC) increases substantially when high concentrations of Multi-MKP are used, and
yet, its low salt index assures safe use.
Concentration (%) 0.1 0.2 0.3 1.0 5.0
EC (mS/cm) 0.72 1.42 2.13 6.5 33.5
The advantages of Multi-MKP
• Fully water-soluble
• Consists of 100% plant nutrients
• Free of chloride, sodium and other detrimental elements for plants
• Safe for plants and humans: has a moderately low pH and low salt index
• Suitable for the fertigation, foliar application and production of fertilizer blends and
nutrient solutions
Application Recommendations
Nutrigation
It is recommended to use Multi-MKP as a source of phosphorus and potassium where nitrogen levels
should be kept low.
Because of its unique characteristics, Multi-MKP can be applied through any irrigation system and on any
growth medium. Unlike phosphoric acid, Multi-MKP is moderately acidic (see table on the 1st page).
Therefore, it is not corrosive to fertilizer pumps or to irrigation equipment.
Compatibility
Multi-MKP is compatible with most water-soluble fertilizers, except for fertilizers containing calcium (Ca++)
or magnesium (Mg++). To apply Multi-MKP in combination with calcium or magnesium fertilizers, use two
fertilizer tanks. If only a single fertilizer tank is available, apply those fertilizers at different times.
Quantitative Nutrigation
Each kilogram of Multi-MKP in the tank provides 520 grams of P2O5 (230g P) and 340 grams of K2O
(280g K).
Proportional Nutrigation
The phosphorus and potassium concentration in the irrigation water depends on the quantity of Multi-MKP in
the tank mix, and on the injection ratio. Use the following table to calculate the quantity of Multi-MKP and the
injection ratio needed to reach your target concentration in the irrigation water.
Multi-MKP Nutrient concentration (ppm, g/1000 litre)
(g/1000 liter water) P2O5 P K2O K
100 52 22 34 28
110 58 25 37 31
135 70 30 46 38
180 93 40 61 51
225 116 50 76 63
Foliar Feeding
Foliar application of Multi-MKP is an optional supplement to soil fertilization at growth stages when high
levels of phosphorus and potassium are required. At early season foliar application with Multi-MKP
promotes the establishment of healthy root system.
Multi-MKP is an efficient suppressor of powdery mildew in susceptible crops (deciduous, vineyards,
mango, cucumbers, melons, roses and others). Application of 1% Multi-MKP mixed with systemic
fungicides improves the efficiency and enable to reduce application rates of the latter.
Multi- MKP is compatible with most commonly used pesticides and fertilizers. However, it should not be
mixed with calcium or magnesium fertilizers. Also, iron, manganese, zinc and copper must be in the form
of chelates.
Field-crops and vegetables: On young leaves, spray concentration of 1.0% Multi-MKP is recommended
in most crops. On mature leaves and more tolerant crops, concentration of 2.0% may be applied.
Fruit-trees:
Crop Conc. Timing
Citrus 3-5% 2-3 successive monthly sprays at early fruit development, starting 1
month after fruit-set
Stone fruits 1-2% 2-4 applications from fruit-set to fruit coloring
Table grapes 1-2% 1 application during fruit-set, 1 during ripening
Bananas 1-2% 2-6 applications with the application of pesticides
2% 1 application during fruit-set, 1 during ripening
Vineyards
1% Every 2 weeks, starting when twigs are 10-14cm long until veraison,
alternated with proper fungicide.
Olives 3-5%
1 application in early spring for flower induction and fruit setting,
2 applications during fruit development,
1 application on September during sizing and oil filling.
It is advisable to confirm compatibility of your intended spray-mix by preparing a sample of the spray
materials at their recommended concentrations in order to rule out the possibility of a detrimental cross
reaction. This mixture should be sprayed onto small area prior to commercial treatment, in order to assess
whether an adverse effect occurs.
Mono-Potassium Phosphate 0-52-34
Multi-MKP is a fully water-soluble mono-potassium phosphate fertilizer, a highly efficient source of
phosphorus and potassium for plants. As a nitrogen-free fertilizer, Multi-MKP is the preferred source of
phosphorus and potassium when nitrogen fertilization should be limited. A common case is at early
growing season, when phosphorus and potassium are needed at high rates for the establishment of root
system. Application of Multi-MKP at the productive stages of sugar-rich fruit crops helps to increase sugar
content and to improve the quality of these.
Multi-MKP can be applied in combination with other fertilizers to meet crop nutritional needs throughout
the growth cycle.
Its high purity and water-solubility make Multi-MKP an ideal fertilizer for fertigation and for foliar
application. Additionally, Multi-MKP is suitable for preparation of fertilizer blends and production of liquid
fertilizers. When applied as foliar spray, Multi-MKP acts as a suppressor of powdery mildew.
Product analysis
Nutrient Content (%)
P2O5 52%
P 22.7%
K2O 34%
K 28.7%
Water solubility
The solubility of Multi-MKP is enhanced by increase in water temperature, as shown in the following table.
Water temperature (oC) 0 10 20 30 40
Solubility (g/100g water) 14.8 18.3 22.6 28.0 33.5
pH and EC
Multi-MKP has a moderately low pH that remains almost constant at different concentrations.
Concentration (%) 0.1 0.2 0.3 1.0 5.0
pH 4.8 4.7 4.7 4.6 4.4
The electrical conductivity (EC) increases substantially when high concentrations of Multi-MKP are used, and
yet, its low salt index assures safe use.
Concentration (%) 0.1 0.2 0.3 1.0 5.0
EC (mS/cm) 0.72 1.42 2.13 6.5 33.5
The advantages of Multi-MKP
• Fully water-soluble
• Consists of 100% plant nutrients
• Free of chloride, sodium and other detrimental elements for plants
• Safe for plants and humans: has a moderately low pH and low salt index
• Suitable for the fertigation, foliar application and production of fertilizer blends and
nutrient solutions
Application Recommendations
Nutrigation
It is recommended to use Multi-MKP as a source of phosphorus and potassium where nitrogen levels
should be kept low.
Because of its unique characteristics, Multi-MKP can be applied through any irrigation system and on any
growth medium. Unlike phosphoric acid, Multi-MKP is moderately acidic (see table on the 1st page).
Therefore, it is not corrosive to fertilizer pumps or to irrigation equipment.
Compatibility
Multi-MKP is compatible with most water-soluble fertilizers, except for fertilizers containing calcium (Ca++)
or magnesium (Mg++). To apply Multi-MKP in combination with calcium or magnesium fertilizers, use two
fertilizer tanks. If only a single fertilizer tank is available, apply those fertilizers at different times.
Quantitative Nutrigation
Each kilogram of Multi-MKP in the tank provides 520 grams of P2O5 (230g P) and 340 grams of K2O
(280g K).
Proportional Nutrigation
The phosphorus and potassium concentration in the irrigation water depends on the quantity of Multi-MKP in
the tank mix, and on the injection ratio. Use the following table to calculate the quantity of Multi-MKP and the
injection ratio needed to reach your target concentration in the irrigation water.
Multi-MKP Nutrient concentration (ppm, g/1000 litre)
(g/1000 liter water) P2O5 P K2O K
100 52 22 34 28
110 58 25 37 31
135 70 30 46 38
180 93 40 61 51
225 116 50 76 63
Foliar Feeding
Foliar application of Multi-MKP is an optional supplement to soil fertilization at growth stages when high
levels of phosphorus and potassium are required. At early season foliar application with Multi-MKP
promotes the establishment of healthy root system.
Multi-MKP is an efficient suppressor of powdery mildew in susceptible crops (deciduous, vineyards,
mango, cucumbers, melons, roses and others). Application of 1% Multi-MKP mixed with systemic
fungicides improves the efficiency and enable to reduce application rates of the latter.
Multi- MKP is compatible with most commonly used pesticides and fertilizers. However, it should not be
mixed with calcium or magnesium fertilizers. Also, iron, manganese, zinc and copper must be in the form
of chelates.
Field-crops and vegetables: On young leaves, spray concentration of 1.0% Multi-MKP is recommended
in most crops. On mature leaves and more tolerant crops, concentration of 2.0% may be applied.
Fruit-trees:
Crop Conc. Timing
Citrus 3-5% 2-3 successive monthly sprays at early fruit development, starting 1
month after fruit-set
Stone fruits 1-2% 2-4 applications from fruit-set to fruit coloring
Table grapes 1-2% 1 application during fruit-set, 1 during ripening
Bananas 1-2% 2-6 applications with the application of pesticides
2% 1 application during fruit-set, 1 during ripening
Vineyards
1% Every 2 weeks, starting when twigs are 10-14cm long until veraison,
alternated with proper fungicide.
Olives 3-5%
1 application in early spring for flower induction and fruit setting,
2 applications during fruit development,
1 application on September during sizing and oil filling.
It is advisable to confirm compatibility of your intended spray-mix by preparing a sample of the spray
materials at their recommended concentrations in order to rule out the possibility of a detrimental cross
reaction. This mixture should be sprayed onto small area prior to commercial treatment, in order to assess
whether an adverse effect occurs.
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TrysHard
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Will take me some time to digest that but on first look, looks like some good stuff.
DC420
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yes you use it to help the plants root faster then stop using it till 4 weeks into flowering. the big size will be allot bigger than you are used to. I can say since i have been using it all my buds are allot bigger. you can get a big bag for like $15 that would last you a couple years easy.
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TrysHard
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I went to the hydro store today. Got some harvesting goodies.
This is the overview: LOL
What you see there is some 4" Grodan Rockwool Cubes, a pair of Fisker Scissors, 1000W MH bulb for my next grow veg cycle. The part of a black circle at the bottom of the pic is the "The Rack", a drying rack similar to the one KJC showed. And my new toy the "Trim Bin"
Here it is in its packaging:
Here is the sift bin, where you do your triming, it has a 150 micron screen that is removable, it has screws on the back so you can replace it.
The collection tray is super smooth and slick and comes with a very fine brush:
I'm all set, I have about 30 1 quart mason jars, I have several Tupperware seal-able containers, now I just have to wait two weeks.
This is the overview: LOL
What you see there is some 4" Grodan Rockwool Cubes, a pair of Fisker Scissors, 1000W MH bulb for my next grow veg cycle. The part of a black circle at the bottom of the pic is the "The Rack", a drying rack similar to the one KJC showed. And my new toy the "Trim Bin"
Here it is in its packaging:
Here is the sift bin, where you do your triming, it has a 150 micron screen that is removable, it has screws on the back so you can replace it.
The collection tray is super smooth and slick and comes with a very fine brush:
I'm all set, I have about 30 1 quart mason jars, I have several Tupperware seal-able containers, now I just have to wait two weeks.
PeytonManning
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Nice little kit you got there. Man I wish I was harvesting
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TrysHard
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Well I have two weeks to go, all I can do is get ready, boy am I ready!
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TrysHard
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OK I'm going to need some help before tomorrow. I pick my new clones tomorrow, they will be GS Cookies. The problem I have is they are only available in dirt, in a solo cup, so I have to wash the dirt off the roots. This makes me nervous but I sure I will get some good advise from my friends. In the past they came in peat plugs, and I just stuck them into a 4" rockwool cube for veg. So with the roots exposed do I split the cube to get all the roots in the middle? Also should I start preparing the cube now, I have Roots Excelurator, Dyna-Gro K-L-N Rooting Concentrate, and Hormex for transplant shock. Plus all the regular nutrients and Diamond Nectar, koolbloom. I also have aqua shield.
trichomes
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I've seen it done with success using nothing but water, to clean off the soil, those products would help survival rate, IMO.
I'd cut/peel the container off carefully to see how much root you need to clean soil from. Should not be a problem for you.
You could open a rockwool cube like a book and hold it together w a rubber band until roots hold the cube/book together.
Change of topic here, forgive me TrysHard fans.
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When you get a chance would you guys mind looking at my last (link below) posted pic of Lucky the "freak"
I don't know if she should be killed or loved.
I'd cut/peel the container off carefully to see how much root you need to clean soil from. Should not be a problem for you.
You could open a rockwool cube like a book and hold it together w a rubber band until roots hold the cube/book together.
Change of topic here, forgive me TrysHard fans.
. When you get a chance would you guys mind looking at my last (link below) posted pic of Lucky the "freak"
I don't know if she should be killed or loved.
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TrysHard
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I've seen it done with success using nothing but water, to clean off the soil, those products would help survival rate, IMO.
I'd cut/peel the container off carefully to see how much root you need to clean soil from. Should not be a problem for you.
You could open a rockwool cube like a book and hold it together w a rubber band until roots hold the cube/book together.
Change of topic here, forgive me TrysHard fans.
When you get a chance would you guys mind looking at my last (link below) posted pic of Lucky the "freak"
I don't know if she should be killed or loved.
Should I prepare the rockwool cube now? What should I do to it?
trichomes
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u should research online with specific keywords to be sure you don't use too much, less can be better than full amt. on label.
try putting one of those root-shock brands in the 420 search box up top, when i use that box, i click it empty & start on the next page
(you always get sent to 2nd pg. any way) if u don't get answers use the net. also , there is a clones & seedling sub-forum under tabs up top, u can use search box at the top of a specific thread there, this search box is completely separate from the 420 box u always see at the top of any page.
appreciate u giving your opinion in my yard a minute ago, thanks Trys
try putting one of those root-shock brands in the 420 search box up top, when i use that box, i click it empty & start on the next page
(you always get sent to 2nd pg. any way) if u don't get answers use the net. also , there is a clones & seedling sub-forum under tabs up top, u can use search box at the top of a specific thread there, this search box is completely separate from the 420 box u always see at the top of any page.
appreciate u giving your opinion in my yard a minute ago, thanks Trys
SmokerJoe
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Whats going on everyone?Hope you had a good day
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TrysHard
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u should research online with specific keywords to be sure you don't use too much, less can be better than full amt. on label.
try putting one of those root-shock brands in the 420 search box up top, when i use that box, i click it empty & start on the next page
(you always get sent to 2nd pg. any way) if u don't get answers use the net. also , there is a clones & seedling sub-forum under tabs up top, u can use search box at the top of a specific thread there, this search box is completely separate from the 420 box u always see at the top of any page.
appreciate u giving your opinion in my yard a minute ago, thanks Trys
I'm confident that I should have no problem, but since I'm spending $90 for these GS Cookie Clones, I don't want to make a mistake transplanting them. I already did the search, there is too much to filter through. I went to the Capn Basic Hydro thread and posed the question there, should have some info soon.
Joe got any tips on transplanting from soil to rockwool. See above the stuff I have to aid the process.
SmokerJoe
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Sorry I dont. Ive never used rockwool. From what I do know about that I personally wouldnt do it but I like the highest possible % of plants to survive. The advice already given seems like sound advice if you are going to do this. Just expect some of the plants to die on you moreso then a regular transplant.
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TrysHard
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Lets see if I can do it without any of my babies dying.
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TrysHard
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I've taken trichomes advise and split the 4" rock wool cube in half. Since it has a big hole in it for a plug I also split a 1" cube. I have all 12 of the cubes currently saturate in DH20 with a 1ml /G of Roots Excelurator. Should I have cut that in half, it is the recommended dilution?
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TrysHard
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I've taken trichomes advise and split the 4" rock wool cube in half. Since it has a big hole in it for a plug I also split a 1" cube. I have all 12 of the cubes currently saturate in DH20 with a 1ml /G of Roots Excelurator. Should I have cut that in half, it is the recommended dilution? I also just plan on taking most of the dirt off. Since its going to be in the rockwool, I'm not worried about a little soil.
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