Second Grow - First Time Soil - White Widow - Super Silver Haze -Grapefruit -400W HID

[GreeenFingers]

Re: Second Grow, First Time Soil. White Widow, Super Silver Haze, Grapefruit. 400w HI

7 Gallon pots are pretty big, they should have plenty of room

 

[donpaul.p]

Re: Second Grow, First Time Soil. White Widow, Super Silver Haze, Grapefruit. 400w HI

7 gallon is more than big enough mate, i only use 3 gallon pots and they will easily cope with upto a 3ft plant so a 7gallon pot will be more than enough, you could do a long veg with them and have some big plants, my 3 gallon pots are never full of roots when i harvest and my plants usually finish around 2 ft high not including the pot so your pots should be more than enough, unless anyone else says other wise, but as far as i know the 7g pots will be plenty big enough.
they usualy say if the pot is 1ft high then it will do a plant between 2 and 3ft, but having a 7g pot will mean the plant will be wider and cover a bigger area than the pots i use, so i dont actually think you will have any problems, unless you plan on growing some 5 or 6ft plants

 

[Concept]

Re: Second Grow, First Time Soil. White Widow, Super Silver Haze, Grapefruit. 400w HI

very helpful, exactly what I needed . Thank you both for the help .

7 gallon is more than big enough mate, i only use 3 gallon pots and they will easily cope with upto a 3ft plant so a 7gallon pot will be more than enough, you could do a long veg with them and have some big plants, my 3 gallon pots are never full of roots when i harvest and my plants usually finish around 2 ft high not including the pot so your pots should be more than enough, unless anyone else says other wise, but as far as i know the 7g pots will be plenty big enough.
they usualy say if the pot is 1ft high then it will do a plant between 2 and 3ft, but having a 7g pot will mean the plant will be wider and cover a bigger area than the pots i use, so i dont actually think you will have any problems, unless you plan on growing some 5 or 6ft plants

 

[Concept]

Re: Second Grow, First Time Soil. White Widow, Super Silver Haze, Grapefruit. 400w HI

Another update soon but had a question. This is the white widow I have, and the statement about the strain. I've put the part im interested in bold.

"Seedsman Seeds White Widow is the most potent cannabis on Earth and is named for the abundance of trichomes, giving the plant a whitish tint. It is also one of the more powerful strains of marijuana (alongside AK-47 and Afghan Kush) with a very high 20%-25% THC content. White Widow seeds are (60%/40%) indica/sativa cross-strain and is best suited to indoor cannabis cultivation. Our cannabis seeds grow as high as 35-80 cm with the yield up to 450 gr per m2. It's suggested to flower (12 hour light) this marijuana variety for 8 weeks, but 10 weeks will really give you the crystals you are after. Try to turn the lights off altogether the final 2 weeks of the flowering cycle- or at least down to 8 hours. This keeps the flowers from re-growth and stresses the plant into giving up its last drop of goodness as crystal to protect the flower! The buds have so much THC on them that it is hard to see them at all. White Widow original seeds produce plants that give you the taste of freshness laced with many fruits, because of the strength of the cannabis crystals - the only real taste goes hand in hand with the expectorant effects of the THC. You better try it for yourself. The smell is strong pungency. It first hits you, then follows a sour sweetness with the final whiff ... turning sweet. If a plant could have a strong body odour then the White Widow needs a deodorant. Cannabis smokers adore its sweet, thick, acrid smoke that imparts a hammering stone. Extremely powerful. Experienced smokers only. White Widow - the backbone of the Seedman industry and one of the most famous marijuana strains in modern growing. This is a great strain for wannabe breeders but will also suit those that enjoy an easy to grow strain with a very strong sativa effect."

Was wondering about that technique, if anyone has used it and what kind of results it yielded. Figure they of all people should know best, but their also selling something, and shouldn't trust a single word from someone selling something . Was thinking it could hermie them at the last second.

 

[Concept]

Re: Second Grow, First Time Soil. White Widow, Super Silver Haze, Grapefruit. 400w HI

shit I got bugs...

not sure what they are, they are of course very small, they seem to be living in the soil and not effecting the foliage, they have wings and are able to jump/fly. Only found them in 3 plants so far.

this kind of looks like them
https://mrec.ifas.ufl.edu/lso/images/Gnats/ffa2-49.jpg

How would one get rid of this problem? Preferably organically.

 

[LighTer]

Re: Second Grow, First Time Soil. White Widow, Super Silver Haze, Grapefruit. 400w HI

Organic Garden Pest Control Recipe #1

1 head of garlic
1 tablespoon dish soap (note: do not use a dish soap that contains bleach or antibacterial agents)
2 tablespoons mineral or vegetable oil
2 cups water

Peel the garlic cloves and puree the cloves along with the oil and water. Allow to sit over night and then strain the mixture. Add the soap and mix toughly. Pour into a spray bottle and use on pest infected plants.
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[Smokemupm8]

Re: Second Grow, First Time Soil. White Widow, Super Silver Haze, Grapefruit. 400w HI

shit I got bugs...

not sure what they are, they are of course very small, they seem to be living in the soil and not effecting the foliage, they have wings and are able to jump/fly. Only found them in 3 plants so far.

this kind of looks like them
https://mrec.ifas.ufl.edu/lso/images/Gnats/ffa2-49.jpg

How would one get rid of this problem? Preferably organically.

Hi mate, how ya doin?
I grow i soil too, and i have these tiny little winged buggers livin in the soil-when i water they all come to the top nd fly around, n i squash em As you said they dont appear to affect my plant, i havent seen any leaves chewed on since ive had them - i only found one chewed leaf, but when i watered i caught this shifty lookin bug in the soil, i kikd his butt too and no more since. TOUCH WOOD!!
But yeah, my potting mix says it has beneficial micro organisms i doubt if these count as that but yeah, as long as my girls not being chewed im happy for mean time. Goodluk, take it easy.. SMOKEMUP..

 

[donpaul.p]

Re: Second Grow, First Time Soil. White Widow, Super Silver Haze, Grapefruit. 400w HI

im not sure turning the lights off for 2 weeks is a good idea, not heard of anyone doing it that long before, i have heard people giving them 24 hours of dark before harvest and even up to 48 hours of dark before harvest, its meant to make the plant throw out more trichs, this is a myth, their has been a test done, ill try and find it, where they harvested at 3 different times, 1 when the plant was ready, then when the plant had 24 hours of dark and one when it had 48 hours of dark, this was all done with clones and the results was all the same, so the 48 hours of dark did not give better buds, but each to their own.

these gnats you have got, well i get these and still do, the only way i have found to get the numbers down and get rid of them is to let the pots dry out between each water, these gnats live in the soil when they are grubs, so letting the soil totally dry out gets rid of them, so try and let it dry out between watering and they should move on, i covered the tops of the pots as well and this worked well.
i got newspaper and cut a slit in it, then slid it over the pot and the stem went where the slit was, i then taped the newspaper all over the top of the pot and taped the slit up, so their was no gap for the flies to get in and out of, i then left it a few days till they needed watering, then poked a hole and watered, then i covered the whole up, i did this for about a week and then i had no flies, but a month or so later they came back, i use fly trap tape now and that keeps the numbers down, the grubs eat the roots so try and get the numbers down, just try and let the pots dry out between watering, or place the pots in dishes and water from the bottom, fill the dish with water and let the pots sit in it for about an hour then remove,

i found just checking the soil was dry before watering get rid of most of them, i have not tried any sprays or anything like that yet as i have managed to keep the numbers down, i not only see 1 or 2 a day and thats it, before their was loads and every time i watered i would see loads fly off, but now i dont see any, sometimes i can go days without seeing any, but its not causing my plants any problems, so i dont think i have got many now,

 

[Concept]

Re: Second Grow, First Time Soil. White Widow, Super Silver Haze, Grapefruit. 400w HI

@LighTer: thx, I'll be giving that a try in the next coming days

@donpaul: thanks for the detailed info, went ahead and looked into some of the stuff you suggested


Went ahead and plastic wrapped the plants covering the soil. Before doing so I also flushed the pots with loads of water in hopes of disrupting/drowning as many as I could (technique I found elsewhere). As I did this I had a fan in front of me so any of the little shits that took off got blown away from the plant. Quickly poped a few slices of a potato in the soil and covered er up with the plastic. Going to let them sit for 2 maybe 3 days and dry out. Then remove the potatos that hopefully are full of larva, rinse, repeat. Hoping this will work. I also went ahead and did a full wipe down of the grow room just to keep things nice and clean.


Read that if it gets real bad you can mix some h2o2 with the water and that should do the trick but will also fuck with the soil a bit.





"im not sure turning the lights off for 2 weeks is a good idea, not heard of anyone doing it that long before, i have heard people giving them 24 hours of dark before harvest and even up to 48 hours of dark before harvest, its meant to make the plant throw out more trichs, this is a myth, their has been a test done, ill try and find it, where they harvested at 3 different times, 1 when the plant was ready, then when the plant had 24 hours of dark and one when it had 48 hours of dark, this was all done with clones and the results was all the same, so the 48 hours of dark did not give better buds, but each to their own."


I was thinking that sounded a bit strange, I haven't seen anyone do it before or even mention the idea of such a lengthy dark period. Maybe I'll test it out with one of the smaller widows when it comes time for shits and giggles. I've heard of the 24/48 hour thing, but heard it in relation to resign production. Even that sounds kinda fishy to me though.





But on a positive note, grapefruit is a beast of a plant, definitely glad I found that seed. Her stem is thicker than my thumb 0.o. All the widow plants are looking pretty good and starting to smell very pretty. Also have 2 (i think) plants that are different strains, waiting to see their bud to hopefully identify them. I'm really hoping for the super silver haze, smoked the top cola of the super silver from the last grow last night. Even premature and chemical filled that shit was .

 

[Smokemupm8]

Re: Second Grow, First Time Soil. White Widow, Super Silver Haze, Grapefruit. 400w HI

Agreed, Ive heard of 72 hrs max dark before harvest.. Let her soak up water in pot as said and leave her least 24hrs dark, then she should be good to go. After my 24 hr dark i hit her with 4 hrs light til she was reaching up again then cut her.. That was me, you dont need to give em light again, i just was thinking too much bout it! Goodluk mate, Happy Harvesting SMOKEM..

 

[Concept]

Re: Second Grow, First Time Soil. White Widow, Super Silver Haze, Grapefruit. 400w HI

Got a MH bulb today but it has a small fragment of what looks like glass within the tube. Is this still safe to use or it is "broken" essentially. HIDs make me nervous lol.

oh and figure i should mention I cant seem to see anything that is broken in any way.

 

[GreeenFingers]

Re: Second Grow, First Time Soil. White Widow, Super Silver Haze, Grapefruit. 400w HI

Is the fragment loose or rattling around ?

If so, it would probably just be safer to get a replacement

Nothing should be loose within the bulb.

 

[donpaul.p]

Re: Second Grow, First Time Soil. White Widow, Super Silver Haze, Grapefruit. 400w HI

i agree, send it back, their should be nothing moving around in that at all, not rattling around loose like that, so send it back before you use it, its not worth the risk mate

 

[Concept]

Re: Second Grow, First Time Soil. White Widow, Super Silver Haze, Grapefruit. 400w HI

Thanks guys, sent it back waiting for the replacement. The universe seems to have rewarded me, I have acquired some new toys. I'll post some pictures once the lights come back on. Just wanted to reply and update that the bug problem seems to be gone .


Oh also made brownies for the first time out of leaves last night. Really impressed with the results. Leaves were trimmed a few days before flowering. I smoke everyday, every couple hours, only medical grade, and this shit still knocked me the fuck out after a really relaxing few waves. My girlfriend was awake literally all night cleaning. Said it gave her a great sativa high, energetic, and makes you want to work on stuff. Still have some butter left over, can't wait to try it again when I'm not as tired. Really excited because it seems I picked a good strain for us. Definitely adding some G13 haze and maybe even some bubba kush for the next grow. Had G13 for the first time a few weeks ago, and it was just amazing. I suffer from several metal issues and I think it was one of the best strains I've tried for my problems. Anyways, bud porn otw, well jailbait bud porn , they just lil pre budz atm.

 

[Concept]

Re: Second Grow, First Time Soil. White Widow, Super Silver Haze, Grapefruit. 400w HI

Pictures YAY!

So my new toys

acquired a 600w hid system, 2 4ft 54w 5 bulb t5 units, proper cloning supplies and station, 50 some gallons of hand mixed peat based organic soil, and blue planet organic 3 part nutrient system (coming monday i think).

pic of them getting trained and snipped

I'm now 2 weeks (14.7 days) into flowering. Today I installed all my new equipment so now my flowering cab has both the 400w and 600w running. Putting me at about the 130,000 lumen range for a 6x4x6. So lets see what some of the ladies look like now.

white widow a few days ago

white widow bud a few days ago

one of the unknown strains, almost positive it's not widow, praying for super silver lemon haze



Canopy as of today

white widow

and my grand star, grapefruit

Her stem is unreal, it's like a damn tree. I love looking at this picture and then looking at her now it just blows my mind.

Really excited to see what happens with the new light and can't wait to start adding the new nutes. Right now I'm just going off the soil and tiny amounts of BC bloom and awesome blossom, trying to stretch out what little I had left over lol. Also giving them the correct dosage of "budcandy".

Soon I'm going to try to start meditating with my water. From what I'v read it can have interesting effects, should look into it. Seems we can change the molecular structure of water using our energy. Which makes sense I guess when you think about it.


Not really sure where I should be at the 2 week mark, so anyone have any input how I'm doing thus far? Also I know yield is a bit hard to approximate but would it be an unrealistic expectation for 3oz/plant off most of them?
(reference information for that question: 1 400w mh, 1 600w mh, ~130k lumens, ~1month veg, 6x4x6 (24sqr ft) area, temps 78-81)

My goal this year was to learn how to grow. Year is almost up, I've learned a whole bunch, and maybe just maybe this harvest will work out . Maybe I get to start the new year growing for a collective.

 

[donpaul.p]

Re: Second Grow, First Time Soil. White Widow, Super Silver Haze, Grapefruit. 400w HI

id say everything looks good mate, the light will boost things along nicely,

 

[shmokesome]

Re: Second Grow, First Time Soil. White Widow, Super Silver Haze, Grapefruit. 400w HI

Everything looking top notch concept.

Most would reckon if you can pull in 1g per Watt then you are doing a great job.

Doesn,t matter If you have 10 plants or 1 big plant really, If you have your space covered and everything is going well then 1000 gram from all your plants should be your target as you are using 1000w.

This is just a quick rule of thumb and don't take it as gospel, just what I've read as a newbie myself. and GL with the grow. Mark

 

[donpaul.p]

Re: Second Grow, First Time Soil. White Widow, Super Silver Haze, Grapefruit. 400w HI

id be more than happy if i could get 1g per watt, im using 400watt light so 400g will do me good, but i dont think im going to end up with half of that, 1g per watt is my goal, but got a long way to go before i get their, but i might hit it next time round, the bud i get this time will be enough to allow me to do a long veg on all my plants, so this means i can have some really big plants next time round, got the seedlings and clones ready for next time round, plus i got 3 autos growing as well so i can give my other plants plenty of veg next time round, just got 2 finish these 6 of though,

i could see a decent size scrog hitting the 1g per watt mark,
i was thinking of going the hempie root, 20g per plant that only uses the space of a 2ltr pop bottle, i could fit 100 of these in my room, so that would be 100 x 20g which gives me 2000g, even 10 plants done in a hempie would get me 200g from just 10 plants, im undecided what i want to do, but i cant do anything till i got these plants finished

 

[Concept]

Re: Second Grow, First Time Soil. White Widow, Super Silver Haze, Grapefruit. 400w HI

Thank you both for your replies. 1000 grams, well that would be awesome lol. So should get some think like a pound at least but if all goes well could be looking at about 2 pounds. A pound is more than enough to take care of my self and my family so wooohooo .

donpaul: how do you like autos, I wanted to give a few a try but I wasn't sure if it was going to be worth it. You really have my attention with those hempie things. Never heard of it, whats kind of the short version of the technique? I'm not even entertaining the idea of getting raided so large plant numbers is fine by me lol.

 

[donpaul.p]

Re: Second Grow, First Time Soil. White Widow, Super Silver Haze, Grapefruit. 400w HI

autos are ok mate, i grew 2 and off the 1 i got 20g and off the other i got about 32g, but i know i could of got more if they was in bigger pots, their is an auto called big bang auto and it has yielded over 4oz and 2 growers on here hit that target, the best part is you dont need to have them under 12-12 so they are good to grow inbetween grows so to speak, short turn around with them, they grow under any lighting schedule but the more light the better, ive got 3 going at the minute, so once the plants ive got in flower now have finished i can move the other plants in and put them under veg cycle then the autos can grow along side them as they will still flower.

with the 2ltr hempies, what a lot of growers do is use a 2ltr pop bottle and cut the top off and fill with compost then plant the plant, the idea then is to go 12-12 form seed or give it 2 weeks then flip to 12-12, but 12-12 from seed is usually done in 8 weeks, so its a quick turn around but low yield, i got 20g off my last hempie and when i harvested it i had 1 big bud that was the same size as a 2ltr pop bottle, so you need to make sure any side branches over 2 inches are cut off, i use these as clones, you want to focus the growth on the main stem, so removing the side branches forces the plant to focus all its growth onto the main stem,

now the 2ltr hempies i do are called 2ltr dwc hempie, basically what it is is this, you have a res, i use the bottom 3/4 of a pop bottle, and cover with something so the light cant get in, so this is the res, all that will be in here is nutrient rich solution, so thats your res,
now the part you put the plant in is also made from a pop bottle, you want to cut the top 3rd off a pop bottle, so the lid and everything is what you grow the plant in, you turn it upside down so the lid of the pop bottle is facing down, what you then do is poke holes or drill holes around the neck of the bottle so the roots can grow out of it, then fill with compost, some people leave the lid on and drill holes in it for the roots to grow out of, but all i do is unscrew the lid so the roots can grow through the hole where the lid is easier and this seems to work better,
so what you got now is the bottom piece which is the res, you then fill the top with compost and plant the seed or cutting in it, then place this inside the bottom piece which is the res, so now you have got the res with the other top piece with the plant in, so the lid of the pop bottle is now pushed inside the res, so what happens now is as the plant grows the roots will grow down in the top piece and start growing out where the lid used to be, as soon as you see this fill the res with the correct feed for the stage of growth, then as soon as the roots hit the liquid in the res they grow like crazy and so does the plant.
now you can also fit an air pump and air stone in the res to give the roots some air as well, this is not needed but it does help, i never used it last time but this time one of my plants has got the air stone in and the other dont, i can say the one with the air pump in it is growing quicker and taller than the other, but they are different strains so cant say for sure if its the air or not, but i can say the one with the air pump has way more roots than the other.

let me go and find the pics in my journal and ill post you the link so you can see exactly what im talking about