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Amy Gardner's First Journal - Outdoor - Critical Cure & Chaos In The Forest

Amy Gardner

Member of the Month: March 2018 - Photo of the Month: April, Dec 2018, Apr 2019
Welcome all to Amy Gardner’s first grow journal :welcome: :yummy:

First I'll get some particulars on the table - much is still in flux (no pun intended), but the known quantities so far are:

Strain(s);
1 x CBD Critical Cure (Feminised - Barney's Farm), Indica dominant (80%/20%) | THC 5.5%/CBD 8% | this is largely for meds, a supply of oil for treatment of pain & PTSD | this one is going in the garden enclosure.

1 x Professor Chaos (Regular - TGA Subcool), Sativa Dominant (65%/35%) | Relatively short flowering (50-60days) | I bought this before learning more about strains and about landrace. In the future I'll more likely go for a Panama. But I'm hoping to plant this one out in the forest, it's going to be fun to see how the Chaos goes out there in the wild.:icon_cool

1 x Money Bush (Feminised - Heavyweight, freebie from Herbies), Indica dominant 80%/20% | THC 21%/CBD3% | this is going in an experimental location, to see if it's a viable spot. The strain doesn't particularly excite me, but it was free which is great and it will do a great job for me testing this spot.:30:
Veg or Flower? Nothing in veg or flower yet - i'm preparing to get soil ready (and waiting for protected enclosure to be built - finished any day (or week) now!)
Environment: All outdoor
Medium: Soil - this is being worked out now. Some kind of 1 : 1 : 1 plus amendments arrangement. The rest of this opening post will begin a discussion and ask for advice about my soil. See below!
Container: 1 or 2 in pots - hopefully a 30L and 1 straight in the ground (in a slightly amended spot)
Light: The Sun
Air-cooled?: The nor-easterly breeze
Temp & RH - Our summer’s can get pretty hot and late summer can be humid. Can’t control it, will just monitor and try to build strong plants!
Any Pests?: Hopefully not! and let’s hope the plants are strong enough. I’ve grown in the area before and not had any.
How often are you watering? As little as possible at first and then as much as they seem to want. :thumb:
Type and strength of ferts used? All natural - what’s available. Seaweed, some compost teas, worm castings topdress if needed.

I really don’t know what to expect and that’s the most exciting part. It’s the first time I’ve tried more than one plant at a time and a more serious (but in a kind of frivolous sense, not serious, just more serious) approach to growing than I’ve taken before. It’s my place here so I am experimenting with different sites around the garden (but anything outside the enclosure needs it’s own wallaby/possum proof fence, so there’s that to consider).

I had originally planned to drop the seeds with the new moon at the end of this week (I do things by the moon as much as possible) but the enclosure is delayed and now I am taking a trip away for a week that can’t be helped - so I plan to drop seeds about the 27th which is a bit late in the cycle but still waxing, so should be ok.

This is my 4th grow. Each previous time has been a grow of only one plant, 3 different locations over the last 6 years. The first one I grew when I wasn’t smoking much and it lasted years! I have no idea how much it was in weight. The second I grew was this one (different user name - it was me!) and she was a beautiful plant but she lost the sun too soon in the season (behind some tall trees) and being a sativa this didn’t go well - plus, in the last 5 weeks of flowering we had about the wettest autumn on record and it rained and rained … i was so dedicated - out there every morning shaking her down and cutting off the rot! I had the craziest rig of clear (milky) plastic and supports trying to jeep the rain off her. Anyway - she got pulled too early but I still had smoke from her for a long time and it was a nice smoke, good for me and the occasional friend, and occasional bonus for the folks who come to work here.

Currently I’m growing an indoor for the first time - mostly because I was getting impatient for summer and the garden enclosure we’re having built is, of course, way behind schedule.

SO - onwards!

I’m trying to do what I can with what’s here and whatever amendments are deemed essential.

I need to talk soil with you good folk!

I’ve been reading a lot - and some of it has sunk in and been understood, some of it has sunk in and confused me and some of it I’ve very likely missed. I haven’t read all of the earlier journals of DocBud and Conradino23 that i’d like to yet so I’m missing some stuff there I think, but i’m still reading. I’ve read a bit about CEC and the base cations etc. and still digesting this crash course is soil mineral science! So to be clear from the outset - I’m not equipped, or inclined actually, to do a no-till situation. I also will not be going down the full LOS pathway that involves lots of grain hulls, teas, cover crops etc, although many of the principles and ideas are certainly in play (and I might try some chamomile and or clover in the pot - maybe. Maybe not.). My main take away messages from the reading I have done have been more to do with mineralising the soil. I’m a big fan of the DBHBB kit (and a big fan of what it grows in good conditions!) but it’s just not in my financial ballpark (especially when I’m still cutting my teeth = higher risk) so let’s see what I can do here on my own, eh? I know I need Myco, and minerals and compost. I’m heeding the warnings of hi-brix growers like DocBud and Conradino23 to not have too much organic matter - which can overwhelm the bio-community (at least that’s my understanding of it) and slow the whole web down (the same thing happens to us if we eat too much and don't get enough minerals ;) )

OK - what I have is:

A load of compost is coming for the veggie patch from a local garden supplier - it’s good so I’ll be using some of that mixed with some of our own compost (we’re only 2 and we fast a lot so there’s not a lot of food waste to compost!). I’ll contact the supplier and see if they can tell me a bit about their compost. I’ll include worm castings if i can source them easily. (Easily means - very locally, and cheap)

The PEAT or COIR question.
I had been thinking I’d get Peat moss. The same business that sells the Myco sells peat and there’s another options too - but all require shipping. But, we’re going to be using CocoCoir to make seed raising mix and potting mix for the veggies etc. and I’m thinking it’ll be easier and cheaper for me to go with this. The coco we’re getting is good - for organic gardening, not full of salt etc. We’re being careful about this.

So my question here then is can I do a good 1:1:1 mix using coco, compost and aeration? And still have a good soil community? And regarding aeration, is perlite the only option - and is it as much of an issue outside (one or 2 will still be in a pot, 1 in the ground)? I.e - will I need 1/3 perlite outdoor? It’s not something I remember Conradino using - but i’ve more to read.

We have this really good looking clay here and the holes dug for the enclosure have unearthed heaps of it! I’m spending this morning researching what it is exactly. This is the hole it comes out off followed by pics of what it looks like up close.







Nice huh? I’m certain it must be full of good minerals (hopefully incl. cations) so I’ll be on the phone trying to find out the composition (found nothing so far on local gov website). Some of it is greyer and some of it is more mustard kind of colours. (pics will get greener as we go along I'm expecting - in the meantime, I love the colours in this clay!)

And I’m looking at the following amendments:

Myco - I can get this from a business here (an 'organic garden solutions' supplier). They call it AMF (arbuscular mycorrhizal fungi) and it seems the goods. From what I can tell (they sell Coots style compost etc.) they’re geared towards canna growing without actually mentioning that, as they have all the usual suspects for folks doing notill and LOS. This will be used as an amendment to the soil mix and also for sprinkling during transplants. (and into the veggie soil too if I can convince the other gardner.)

Either Basalt or Volcanic rock dust (the place that has the Myco also sells the volcanic rock dust, but I think basalt is better from what I’ve read, so if I can find it… (maybe my clay already has it?!). The ogs supplier I mentioned includes Basalt and Gypsum in their 'complete nutrient' mix, but they don't sell it seperately.

Crushed eggshells go into our compost all the time (not exactly powdered tho) but I’m thinking I will make a dedicated cup full for my ‘special’ soil mix, by using the heavy duty mortar & pestle and trying to powder it. I recently did this to feed the soil in my indoor grow and it was a bit taxing, so I'll see how I go with that particular DIY.

Crab/crustacean meal: I haven’t looked into sourcing this yet. My question here is - s there a way to get chitins into my soil community without crustacean meal?

Oyster shell flour (mixed with the eggshells as I'm not sure I can eat and crush enough of them in the time!). I’ve heard outer farmers use black tar to attach the shells to the host post or base… hoping I can get flour that’s guaranteed not to have tar in it! The organic place that sells the Myco has this as well, but my budget there is getting tight.

For looking after things during the grow I have a plentiful supply of seaweed, kangaroo poo (for making a compost tea) and an LAB starter that I’ll be learning how to make use of (thanks MerryAnna :thanks:). There'll be worm castings for topdressing, some mulch (lucerne) if needed. Anything more will be worked out as I go along.

At the moment I’d love some help on where I’m at with the current thinking. Please if there’s any small detail in there that seems a bit off, or misguided, I’m relying on folk to point it out. I’m a details person - details, I love em. There’s nothing to learn if one’s ego gets in the way so feel free to, recommend, point out any errors, or impending issue you may spot, in general - edutain me! I hope the grow entertains you! I'm excited and I haven't even dropped the seeds yet!
 

Pennywise

Member of the Year: 2017 - Member of the Month: Mar & Oct 2017, Aug 2018 - Plant of the Month: Aug 2017
re: AmyG's First Journal - Outdoor - Critical Cure & Chaos In The Forest

I love a good outdoor grow so ill tag along this one if you dont mind.
 

Amy Gardner

Member of the Month: March 2018 - Photo of the Month: April, Dec 2018, Apr 2019
re: AmyG's First Journal - Outdoor - Critical Cure & Chaos In The Forest

I love a good outdoor grow so ill tag along this one if you dont mind.
Hi PW - yes most welcome. I'm still working out how I 'invite' people to drop by and you were on my list! Glad you're here already. [emoji1][emoji1360]

[emoji1374]
 

Pennywise

Member of the Year: 2017 - Member of the Month: Mar & Oct 2017, Aug 2018 - Plant of the Month: Aug 2017
re: AmyG's First Journal - Outdoor - Critical Cure & Chaos In The Forest

Just post on me, Growchy, Vex, van Stank and the crew and you'll have plenty show up.
 

bignstrange

Grow Journal of the Month: Jan 2017
re: AmyG's First Journal - Outdoor - Critical Cure & Chaos In The Forest

Hi Amy! :hello:

I'll jump in while this threads young! I bet it'll be a good one!

I'll help where I can though I'm not super familiar with organic soil etc. I'll go back over your post when I can sit down to see if I can help with any peculiars [emoji4]

Cheers Amy! [emoji481]
 

Amy Gardner

Member of the Month: March 2018 - Photo of the Month: April, Dec 2018, Apr 2019
re: AmyG's First Journal - Outdoor - Critical Cure & Chaos In The Forest

Just post on me, Growchy, Vex, van Stank and the crew and you'll have plenty show up.
Thanks PW - so that's within the site etiquette to do that? I thought I'd read somewhere that this is discouraged and one should use PMs, but I can't find that 'directive' now when I look for it. Pas one at a time is a bit of a drag...

:Namaste:
 

Amy Gardner

Member of the Month: March 2018 - Photo of the Month: April, Dec 2018, Apr 2019
re: AmyG's First Journal - Outdoor - Critical Cure & Chaos In The Forest

Hi Amy! :hello:

I'll jump in while this threads young! I bet it'll be a good one!

I'll help where I can though I'm not super familiar with organic soil etc. I'll go back over your post when I can sit down to see if I can help with any peculiars [emoji4]

Cheers Amy! [emoji481]
Welcome big :welcome:

Nice of you to drop in - it's going to be a fun summer over here :thumb:

Thanks for the invite Amy!!!
Yay Canna! Thanks for all the encouragement :thanks: Here I am making a journal. Yours have been so inspiring. Hope you're having a lovely evening :welcome:


:Namaste:
 

Pennywise

Member of the Year: 2017 - Member of the Month: Mar & Oct 2017, Aug 2018 - Plant of the Month: Aug 2017
re: AmyG's First Journal - Outdoor - Critical Cure & Chaos In The Forest

Post away Amy, i never got that memo. Lol
 

Amy Gardner

Member of the Month: March 2018 - Photo of the Month: April, Dec 2018, Apr 2019
re: AmyG's First Journal - Outdoor - Critical Cure & Chaos In The Forest

Awesome!

Sitting in, if no one opposes? [emoji6]
Cool Vex! Thanks for dropping in - no opposition for sure. I've been PMing invites and you were in the list, but, well, its alphabetised and I can only PM one at a time. Nice summer ahead of me. It'll be good to have you around, you flux king you [emoji5]

[emoji1374]
 

Pennywise

Member of the Year: 2017 - Member of the Month: Mar & Oct 2017, Aug 2018 - Plant of the Month: Aug 2017

GROWant

Well-Known Member
re: AmyG's First Journal - Outdoor - Critical Cure & Chaos In The Forest

Hey Amy, I Finally made it over. Outdoor is always full of surprises. I'm definitely in.
 

MerryAnna

New Member
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Subbed! On my way to a site right now, will read tonight! Xxx
 

Amy Gardner

Member of the Month: March 2018 - Photo of the Month: April, Dec 2018, Apr 2019
re: Amy Gardner's First Journal - Outdoor - Critical Cure & Chaos In The Forest

Welcome Doc -of the very nice- Bud :welcome: pull up a banana lounge...

So listen - it occurred me over lunch that by saying earlier that the kit was out of my financial 'range', people might think I was implying it was expensive, or too expensive. I absolutely don't think that. Actually I think it's enormously good value and if I lived close, or it was close to me, my first batch would be just finishing it's cook about now (i.e. shipping, xchange rates, plus being unable to work this past year, all push it out of range). It's a really competitive cost with some of the biodynamic kit amendments we've used in the past in the garden also - to similarly good success. Just thought I'd clear that up in case anyone was wondering.

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Hey Amy, I Finally made it over. Outdoor is always full of surprises. I'm definitely in.
Hi Gee, thanks for stopping by. Yeah there's lots of potential for surprises that's for sure, the bush round here is pretty active with critters :30::) Looking forward to the outdoor thing - it can be a bit more relaxing in many ways... can't change the height of the sun!

Subbed! On my way to a site right now, will read tonight! Xxx
Cool - Hey MA! welcome aboard :welcome: See you later... :surf:
 

Radogast

Grow Journal of the Month: April 2017
re: Amy Gardner's First Journal - Outdoor - Critical Cure & Chaos In The Forest

Hi subbed up.

There will be folks a lot more knowledgable than I on pretty much everything dropping by here.

In the n=meantime, a few nuggets learned from others that I believe are wisdom:

Eggshells are an investment in the future more than an amendment in the current grow - so feel free to skip them if it's troublesome.
I use a coffee grinder to grind up egg shells then dust the eggshells out of the grinder with a small paintbrush.

Biodynamic wisdom is good stuff, so, for example, if you have horsetail fern available, collect some for an ingredient in your tea.

If your coco coir is non-salty, that clay sure could use a generous amount of organic matter.

Mycos are good - If you have trees and bushes nearby, you probably already have a good mycorrhizal relationship forming colony in your soil.

Drainage can be an issue in clay soils - coco coir might be more useful that perlite in clay
Have you done a percolation test? (pouring water in a hole and testing how long it takes to drain? )

Also have you checked to see if there are soil maps for your area? In the states the national geologic survey people had some descriptions of 7 types of soil for my last property with maps drawn showing the areas where the different soils were. - free on the internet. You might ask at your soil shop if there are soil maps for your area.


- - and I won't be the least insulted if someone calls bull poop on something I say - that's how we learn :)
 

Teddy Edwards

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Eggshells are an investment in the future more than an amendment in the current grow - so feel free to skip them if it's troublesome.
I use a coffee grinder to grind up egg shells then dust the eggshells out of the grinder with a small paintbrush.

Biodynamic wisdom is good stuff, so, for example, if you have horsetail fern available, collect some for an ingredient in your tea.
Rad's right of course. :thumb:

Eggshells take forever to break down - if they are in your own compost, as they are in mine, that'll do the job.

Out here in green no-where, I have no access to commercial additives. I make two teas - Horsetail Fern is brilliant for silica. Strong plants are healthy plants and healthy plants are more disease and predator resistant. And a simple nettle tea is full of nitrogen, particularly useful during the veg stage.

In both cases, fill large containers with the gathered Horsetails and Nettles. Crush 'em down and top up with water. Cover (stops mosquitoes and midges breeding and helps with the smell). After a week or two it will stink. Which means its ready. Dilute one part tea with 10-20 parts water. Feed immediately after a regular watering (so you're in no danger of burning the roots).

Also a kelp foliar spray is great during veg - full of micronutrients. I like living up a mountain in the forest near the sea. :3:
 

Amy Gardner

Member of the Month: March 2018 - Photo of the Month: April, Dec 2018, Apr 2019
Welcome Rad :rollout:

Very glad to have you - that's heaps of nuggety wisdom, thanks (again). I'll definitely do that percolation test in the spots where I'm considering going into the ground, that's great :thumb:. And noted about the Myco - it is pretty happening round here!



They live here too. One actually has a little snake in it's mouth which you can't really make out in the pic unfortunately. But yeah, snakes are one of the potential surprises an outdoor seasonal grow harbours in these parts!

I'd be thinking of the local clay as an amendment of sorts so not very much of that would be in the mix - and I need to find out more about it's composition yet. Also found a source for a form of Basalt I've just learnt about called Palagonite, so things are looking good for a fairly simple set up.

:Namaste: :volcano-smiley:
 
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