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Amy Gardner Of Eden: Perpetually Organic
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Let’s do the time-warp again! 
Late last year I grew my third ‘from-seed’ Candida CD-1,
I harvested a little before Christmas.
CD-1 is a notoriously bendy plant, so budwash is usually...
But this particular specimen had variety within, and some stems were really solid, so...
Candida growers are generally aware that there are 2 distinct phenotypes and my first two seed plants were definitely one of each, the sativa-type came first, grown outside, and the indica-type I grew the following year, inside.
Here they both are in image during late flower. You can see that the growth structure is very similar and the main difference is in the flower structure
the indica type had the dense stacked inflorescences and the Sativa-type has more open inflorescences that fan out a bit and make the individual bracts much more distinct and visible.
This most recent (#3) Candida(te)
surprised me with a genetic expression that seemed to include everything and more! It branched wildly and produced multiple flower types, like licorice allsorts in one plant.You can see that a bit in the harvest day pics above but to better illustrate that “allsorts” trait, here are some of the dried/cured buds from it - all 3 from this same plant
and all 3 are ‘top’ flowers, not larf.But wait, there’s more!
From Candida allsorts to Candida surprise...
Stretch on this recent Candida turned out more types of flowering than just those 3 above. Its wild branching even included a couple of triploids it really needed major tidy up, which I was very late getting to. I was way too exhausted at the time to photograph any of the mid-flower pruning frenzy but I pulled some wildly varied stuff off it.
I did, thankfully, take a quick snap of 2 flowers that seemed particularly unusual.
I hardly gave it a thought at the time, beyond “ohh those ones are super wild - grab a quick pic”.
Weeks and weeks later, I made some new oil from the freshly dried buds (oil is as good as ever BTW).
After infusing the oil and while I was squeezing out the raffinate some little shiny things caught my eye and turned out to be...
As soon as I saw them, my mind leapt back to those odd looking flowers and looking at the pic, they could well have been pollen producers.
It appears I have accidentally made some Candida seeds
There were only 3 found in that batch and they’d already been cooked so I decided to eat them. OMG the tastiest seeds ever!
I have since found one more healthy-looking seed when preparing some more buds for oil. I saved that one before I cooked the buds this time
I haven’t gone looking for any more but there’s a fair bit of that bud left still so there’s a good chance I will find more.
Who knows what phenos or genetic variations the seeds might produce, but I will definitely grow them out down the track.
I feel Candida-blessed.
It’s an incomplete harvest report in that I didn’t seem to record the final weight
I think it was around 3.5-4oz. I have notes at home and will check later.Candida is a beautiful CBD variety with exceptional medical qualities. I also find the flowers particularly beautiful, here’s a pretty mid-flower flower, from #3.
Thanks for following along, if you happen to be here.
I happen to be here! I also happen to think that's wonderful news to find seeds in your allsorts Candida - given how hard they are to come by and how seemingly hard they are to reverse.
Beautiful buds, and nice to have you posting some pics, old and new.
Beautiful buds, and nice to have you posting some pics, old and new.
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What a great find on one of your favorites Amy! Nature at work right under our noses.
Way cool on finding Candida seeds, Amy! Normally, I hate finding seeds in my flower but given how scarce Candida seeds are, they were definitely a happy surprise this time. So, was your Candida male then???
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new seed to try
reminds me of when we popped seeds like popcorn back in brickweed days.
You mention Buuba hash in this post please talk to me more about it. Experience growing it - any tips, smoke report etc. ALso have you grown Bubba Kush X PCK form Ace? I am assuming the Bubba Hash is from Ace....Update: Sour Bubba - The One That Doesn’t Smell
Honestly, it has no smell! Maybe a hint of fuelly funk. Even the ‘it’s a cannabis plant’ smell is so faint you could blink and miss it. It’s a really weird experience, especially given it’s parentage!
I never found those 2 nanners that appeared in a picture a while back but recently a bunch more have popped out. I’m ignoring them. I don’t see any seed anywhere and I don’t have the capacity to get in and seek and remove right now so, it is what it is.
There’s no shortage of buds and trichomes though!
The top leaves have dried, clawed with a curly end and become discoloured recently. I’m trying to decide if it’s part of the ‘too close to the lights’ effects or something else. Everything below looks fine. It could be light/heat burn, but it’s not the kind of bleaching that usually indicates lights being too close or too hot. It could also be connected to not having any Tea. Doc gave me excellent instructions on a substitute - which involves brewing up worm casting and and Roots! powder into a tea - but I ju dont have the capacity to do it. I did it twice a couple of weeks ago and I suffered too much from it. I have some more coming in the mail
I suppose it’s also possible that I put too much worm castings in the topdress at 3weeks and I’m seeing that now (too much nitorgen).
It’s not really a huge issue at 6weeks of flower and the buds are not affected - apart from the heat and light induced foxtailing
Photos from Saturday ... (day 106(+54/33))
*except this first one, which is about 2 weeks earlier because I want to document the progression of the curled, fried top leaves, which was just beginning here...
And fully clawed now... with curl up at the end. Bubba Hash got that a little bit, but not this extreme.
It looks closer than 3 weeks away, which is what I’ve been expecting, so I may be taking it earlier than planned. That will mean some idle space in the tent for a minute while I veg the CBD plants (the Veg box build is coming along... s l o w l y...).
Time will tell. I really hope it goes the full distance.
The buds are very solid which is helping me discover that my lights can be run really very soft. The Lux at the top of this plant is only in the 40000s and even the lowers are rock hard, nearly 4ft from the light. The tops are still just inside the 2’ distance so next time I’ve got help to move plants, I’m going to raise it a little more.
This lovely lowest bud is very solid
I am super curious to see what happens with the smell, if anything. It’ be a great stealthy plant!
Thanks for joining me in the garden folksAn update on everyone else shall be along soon. I hope you all are as happy as you can be and well medicated if not!
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IKR! Couldn’t believe my eyes when I saw them
Totally!
No - but it was a strange one and I pulled off a few ‘suspicious’ looking flowers in mid bloom. I didn’t really inspect those flowers - I was too unwell at the time - but I did photograph them and shared them in the update. They definitely look like they could have produced pollen.
So that means that a branch or two produced male flowers. The bulk of the plant was totally female flowers.
It actually means that I can’t be confident that the seeds it produced won’t produce plants that do more of the same. I also have no guarantee of the genetic expression or the cannabinoid content in the resulting plants. I’ll still grow them one day tho - maybe when I am able to clone and test. That wouldn’t bother me in most situatons, but I grow the Candida for the specific CBD content with only minuscule amount of THC, so those levels are important.
So delicious. Made me think about actually deliberately creating seeds to eat!
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Quite often!
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Welcome to my garden, Enjoying
Yes it is Bubba Hash by Ace seeds - a cross of the @katsubluebird Pre ‘98 Bubba Kush and Hashplant.
I‘ve grown it once only and it became my best friend very quickly and then, over time, a definite soul mate
It’s timely you bring it up as I recently and very happily stocked up on my Bubba Hash seeds!-It is super hungry, took a lot of feeds and liked them hearty.
-it vegges a little slowly.
-it has huge fan leaves
-it has the most complex and loud terpene profile I have experienced. While growing it was earthy, piney, dank and mid-flower produced aromas of lime blossom (which I know because we had a like tree in bloom at the same time!). Cured, it is rich with earthy darkness, coffee/chocolate tones, limey goodness with some background pine notes and a strong element that we label as geranium - because it’s only way we can describe it. It is unique in flavours - 100%
-it is also the best pain-relieving and anti-anxiety meds I have grown. During the bushfire season, I couldn’t toke anything because of my preloaded anxiety levels but the Bubba Hash didn’t overwhelm me, it held me and absolutely got me through it.
-its potency is surprising - a variety that really illustrates how terpenes influence potency. I’ve had many a seasoned stoner send me a “holy shit!” message after gifting them some.
-infused coconut oil from it has the most incredible flavour that I don’t have to add anything to edibles.
-it’s great at all times of day. The toke is very bright and chatty up front but if I toke it for nighttime insomnia relief it is also perfect.
-It is close to perfect cannabis, to me.
Ill jump back and find a few progress pics from the grow.
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what a nice set upIt’s time
This first foray into a perpetual grow is an experiment with timing as I don’t have 2 seperate grow spaces yet. I’ll get back to the plan for that in a minute, but for starters;
Why do I grow:
I’ve been a friend and lover of cannabis since my very early years.
A few years ago the progression of a genetic condition I hadn’t known that I had, precipitated a fairly severe physical disability. During a dark moment somewhere in the first 6 to 8 months I decided to smoke a joint and found, to the surprise of nobody here I’m sure, that not only did my mood improve instantly but many of the physical symptoms did so a well. And so it began.
I grow to manage this condition (which includes chronic and acute pain, severe fatigue, BP regulation problems, emotional regulation problems, musculoskeletal problems, Gastro problems, neurological problems and other etceteras.) and things are well managed now, with cannabis and diet for the most part (and a few vitamins, mineral and mitochondrial supplementation the mix too.)
Growing is absolutely an equally important part of the therapeutic aspects of cannabis whether you grow purely recreationally or also for specific medicinal needs like I do. I know that nearly every grower here would absolutely agree with me about that and many medical cannabis doctors do so as well. Dr Dustin Sulak recommends it. Before I became ill, I always used to joke that my alter ego would live in the bush and grow pot until I was an old woman, so here she is! And while I never envisaged the physical restrictions I have now, I couldn’t be happier about this aspect of my life. Growing and using cannabis to manage my health situation has been life changing physically and life–saving on the psycho-emotional level. The community of growers, friends, mentors and meanderers here has had an absolutely fundamental role in all of that.
Since being here on 420Mag I have learnt to make all the medicinal oils I can possibly need. I grow both CBD and THC dominant varieties and I make custom blends for my particular needs and the needs of my partner, who uses CBD to manage anxiety and depression and tiny amounts of THC alongside it at times. So this journal will include oil making and edible making at times alongside the growing.
I get lots of support to grow, physically from friends and helpers and emotionally from my partner who is not a recreational user of cannabis but has never had a problem with my use of it. I am very blessed and very grateful
On with the practicalities!
Grow space:
Currently a 3x3 Gorilla Tent
Over the next 6-12months, I expect to build 2 seperate indoor spaces for veg and flower.
From about December onwards the grow will move outside until Late March 2021.
Meanwhile, the tent was completely emptied last week and thoroughly cleaned with combinations of vinegar and bi-carb and then sprayed with a clove concoction. It’s beautifully clean and ready to go.
Environment:
The tent lives in the room where I spend most of my time, including to sleep, so it is easy to climate control manually, for the most part. It’s been OK in past grows but not exactly plain sailing in terms of not needing to tweak it so I’m trying some new adaptations again this time and we shall see.
This is my 3rd run inside.
My main challenge in the past has been keeping things warm enough during early veg and at night and last year I tried venting out the bottom, to draw warmer air in from up high and to also let the heat from the light help warm the space. That was kind of successful, but of course I had to change it once things were in late veg and into flower because lights get hotter, plants get bigger and things get warmer!
This year I have the Cloudline T4 on top of the tent again and will install a carbon filter above the light down the track - so that part is pretty standard.
For the intake, I have ductIng run from up high to behind the circulation fan in an attempt to get the warmest air in the room into the tent, while still venting out the top of the tent, like so;
I know its a number of degrees warmer up where the intake is and so far this seems to be working well, espcially for helping keep a bit warmer during lights off
Every longtime successful indoor grower says it, often many times over: environment is the silver bullet when growing inside (outside too to an extent but we can’t control that!). Many improvements I’ve seen in my indoor work have been because of improvement in the environment, including keeping it fairly stable. Slowly but surely I’m getting there. Lights-on is currently 77º-79ºF and 65%. Overnight it stayed nice and warm at 70º with humidity a bit highter than ideal in the 70% zone - I’m working on that
Medium and plant food:
Organic soil, usually some kind of ‘living soil’. Currently and to start-off this grow I am using the undeniably superb High Brix kit developed by Doc Bud, which I absolutely adore and using it has enhanced my knowledge of living soils immeasurably and introduced me so some of the most stellar folks I know around here
For a myriad of practical reasons, including the fact that shipping grow stuff like that across the globe now seems just a bit silly to me as well as unsustainable and totally in tension w my commitment to local food and produce security etc. I decided this back in January, during the apocalypse here. It just isn’t really a practical or responsible thing for me to do. To that end, I had planned to go back to mixing my own soil mixes seeing as I have access to more physical help now. Then there was a global shutdown and doing that kind of stuff as a group project also became impractical.
Thankfully, I then discovered a soil builder here who is based fairly close to me and makes water-only mixes ready to go. He also has heaps of other great living-soil products and teas and some drenches for later runs in the soil. This will be what I transition into for now and then slowly add in own-made home-made things over time, as life allows.
I am also incredibly blessed to have rain water, which is only fitting for a garden of Eden. It’s our only water source here.
Okay!
The Lineup!
Early Miss (Crop KIng, prize from 3 years ago) - auto. This one is because I want some more variety as soon as possible and it’s the fastest one I have - which could turn out to be not tru of course (I remember Dutchman’s first Early Miss Auto turned out to be a photoperiod!). I grew it once before outside, at kind of the wrong part of the season and it succumbed to rot during a very wet and humid early summer. Before it did it had the most wonderful terpene profile that included kiwi fruit and papaya so I’m keen to see what happens with it. CK list it as a cross of White Widow and Big Bud (and ruderalis for the AF traits). They say it is indica-dominant at 60% indica, 30% sativa, and 10% ruderalis and should be done in 7weeks. If that turns out true, it should be some quick fun.
Northern Lights (@SeedsMan, recent prize) - auto. I‘ve had some NL plants that didnt make it and have just been wanting to sample it as it’s such an infamous variety. I’ve of course smoked stuff here that was sold as NL and maybe it was, maybe it wasnt. In any case, this auto version from Seedsman gets a pretty good rap from all folks who grow it so I’m keen to give it a run. Seedsman list it as mostly indica with up to 23% THC and finishing in 55-60 days from seed.
Dark Devil (Sweet Seeds, also recent prize from Seedsman) - auto. This one almost needs no introduction around here these days but everyone is new at sometime so it’s always worth it
Sour Bubba (@katsubluebird, purchased from Neptune seedbank) - photoperiod. The star forward! I have been chomping at the bit for this one since I bought it late last year. SB is a cross of katsu’s Pre ‘98 cut of Bubba Kush and an equally refined cut of East Coast Sour Diesel. Katsu says that unlike his other Bubba crosses where the Bubba usually dominates, this one nearly always comes out slightly ECSD leaning. I have never knowingly had a Diesel and certainly never grown one and this one sounded like an exceptional cross to me and Katsu’s photos of it spoke to me loudly. I am fully stoked to have it heading up the pack. A few other members have them going now too and everyone’s have looked wonderful.
All seeds are feminised. They were soaked for about 12-15 hours before being planted into peat pucks and placed straight into their pots. They were all happily sinking in the water before planting and Sour Bubba had already cracked a bit.
On the bench:
This run, I will also try to fit in along the way a Panama (Ace Seeds, prize choice from 2 years ago, I been waiting for this one!!) and a CBD variety, which will be either MMG’s Candida, which I’m already a big fan of, or Ace’s CBD#1 which i am yet to try - it’s new. More on those when it happens in a few months. Depending on what happens, there is also a Nepal Jam x Kali China (Ace) in the wings for much later, but it very much depends.
The plan:
Graytail is already familiar with my liking for having scale drawings with to-scale movable pieces from when he first helped me with my light design. I like having physical pieces that represent something clearly to me, to move around and help visualise things. I always keep old cardboard lids or large pieces etc. for these purposes and I built myself this ‘grow planner’. It’s really rough, I have a physical disability so be kind! I cutout coloured strips representing the different plants I want to grow and roughly what their timelines might look like - which I know can vary but I will learn a lot about that over time - and then played around with how it might work, based on what I learned last year about fitting things in.
Week 1-4 I will run lights at 16/8 (they’re already running in fact).
At week 4-5 I will switch to 11/13 lights for the duration.
The planner gives about 1cm to each month, it’s very loose and I have estimated time windows on the coloured cards for veg and flower. Autos and maybes below the line, photos above.
The Sour Bubba will have a small pot to start and go into a 7gal when ready. The CBD plant will start and finish in a 6gal. Panama will be my attempt to keep a small one. I’ll start it in a tiny pot and slowly up can as far as 3gal - that will be the first one in the new soil and I plan to dilute that soil a bit for it because it‘s a pure sativa and likely doesn’t need much at all. That will be a learning curve in more than one department.
All plans subject to change! That’s why we have ‘em right?
To finish the intro, I’ll also say that I am, loosely speaking, a moon gardener - and a moon Gardner too. I aim to plant during the new moon, ideally when the moon is in a fertile sign. Here is an excerpt from my moon gardening wall-chart, covering the 1st and 2nd qtr moon phases
We discussed this in the DDA thread recently and Cannabis could fall into either category, being a flowering annual, an oil seed producing plant and also an herb and a leafy green (to some extent). So planting later and closer towards the full moon might be just as good - according to the lore. But for me, I like the rhythm of planting sometime in the first week of the new moon, then hopefully within 10 days you have a little seedling, which then has some cosmic support from the waning moon for 2 weeks to get some roots going, and so the cycle between root growth and foliage growth begins. I always doubly mark out the moon planting wall calendar to make the best canna planting windows most obvious, so I can see at a glance if one is approaching.
Working with moon cycles isn’t limited to planting either. If I want new growth, I prune during the new moon.
If we are pruning in the garden here to reduce something or keep it small, we do it on the waning moon and weeding the garden or removing plants is best done in last few days leading up to the dark moon.
I’m not a zealot about it by any stretch, but I do believe it makes a difference (and ther is some modern science to support some of it). At the very least I like working to that rhythm and that’s what counts the most. Happy Gardner, happy plants.
Last but not at all least, Light!
It‘s the sun when outdoors obviously, but indoors I have my DIY samsung LED build. Its 5 x QBs (128 diodes each) at 3500k and 6 x LED strips (72 diodes each) at 3000K, each powered by a seperate driver. I run just the QBs for veg and then add the strips once needed. Here it is below, above the newly planted seeds, waiting for them to show.
A clean slate, a fresh start and lots of potential!
I have decided that as the critters of the forest here are like my socially-distanced pets, lol!, I will import the ‘critter of the week’ tradition from my outdoor grows to the perpetual. The tent is 4 steps away from the door to outside where the forest is twenty steps away - I’m always outside.
During the winter months it might not be quite weekly, depending on critter activity (including this critter!) but, this week as we get started, the ones who have been making themselves seen and heard are these
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It literally measures about 1/2 an inch, that’s the knuckle of a shoot from some grass just above its head and some out-of-focus chicken-wire fencing in the background.
Well, that’s about the start of things !
Thanks for joining and for any amount of that introduction you read or didn’t read. However you come, I will be honoured to have you here and ask only that we act within the scope of the community guidelines and treat each other and the forum that houses us with love and respect regardless of any differences we may have or discover.
We are all friends of cannabis. Welcome to my virtual garden
Thanks for the great in depth review! I always appreciate responses of this sort because they actually help.Quite often!
All day, any day
Welcome to my garden, Enjoying
Yes it is Bubba Hash by Ace seeds - a cross of the @katsubluebird Pre ‘98 Bubba Kush and Hashplant.
I‘ve grown it once only and it became my best friend very quickly and then, over time, a definite soul mate
-It is super hungry, took a lot of feeds and liked them hearty.
-it vegges a little slowly.
-it has huge fan leaves
-it has the most complex and loud terpene profile I have experienced. While growing it was earthy, piney, dank and mid-flower produced aromas of lime blossom (which I know because we had a like tree in bloom at the same time!). Cured, it is rich with earthy darkness, coffee/chocolate tones, limey goodness with some background pine notes and a strong element that we label as geranium - because it’s only way we can describe it. It is unique in flavours - 100%
-it is also the best pain-relieving and anti-anxiety meds I have grown. During the bushfire season, I couldn’t toke anything because of my preloaded anxiety levels but the Bubba Hash didn’t overwhelm me, it held me and absolutely got me through it.
-its potency is surprising - a variety that really illustrates how terpenes influence potency. I’ve had many a seasoned stoner send me a “holy shit!” message after gifting them some.
-infused coconut oil from it has the most incredible flavour that I don’t have to add anything to edibles.
-it’s great at all times of day. The toke is very bright and chatty up front but if I toke it for nighttime insomnia relief it is also perfect.
-It is close to perfect cannabis, to me.
Ill jump back and find a few progress pics from the grow.
From what I gather I will probably have to trim it to keep light penetration where it needs to be, feed it heavily and be patient - especially in veg.
I am looking for something that will help with anxiety and insomnia. I typically don't go for indicas as they tend to produce more lethargy and aggression than I already have. But I am trying to find something to help me sleep or just relax and calm down on my days off.
Perfect cannabis - strong words from a respected source. This will be the first bean I pop when I run another photo grow.Quite often!
All day, any day
Welcome to my garden, Enjoying
Yes it is Bubba Hash by Ace seeds - a cross of the @katsubluebird Pre ‘98 Bubba Kush and Hashplant.
I‘ve grown it once only and it became my best friend very quickly and then, over time, a definite soul mate
-It is super hungry, took a lot of feeds and liked them hearty.
-it vegges a little slowly.
-it has huge fan leaves
-it has the most complex and loud terpene profile I have experienced. While growing it was earthy, piney, dank and mid-flower produced aromas of lime blossom (which I know because we had a like tree in bloom at the same time!). Cured, it is rich with earthy darkness, coffee/chocolate tones, limey goodness with some background pine notes and a strong element that we label as geranium - because it’s only way we can describe it. It is unique in flavours - 100%
-it is also the best pain-relieving and anti-anxiety meds I have grown. During the bushfire season, I couldn’t toke anything because of my preloaded anxiety levels but the Bubba Hash didn’t overwhelm me, it held me and absolutely got me through it.
-its potency is surprising - a variety that really illustrates how terpenes influence potency. I’ve had many a seasoned stoner send me a “holy shit!” message after gifting them some.
-infused coconut oil from it has the most incredible flavour that I don’t have to add anything to edibles.
-it’s great at all times of day. The toke is very bright and chatty up front but if I toke it for nighttime insomnia relief it is also perfect.
-It is close to perfect cannabis, to me.
Ill jump back and find a few progress pics from the grow.
have you grown anything in the grandpa glue realm?
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That makes me think BH a perfect candidate!
if you follow this link, you will get a reverse order list of links to all (or close to all) the Bubba Hash updates of that grow. You will land on page 2 of the search results, and the bottom of the page is the first update ...
it finished like this
DutchinAB
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Hooray for bonus seeds!! I hope the one you saved will sprout for you, Amy! Lovely update, and glad to see you around once again!
A most excellent response. Well done Amy!
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thank you kindly. Welcome doosh!
Hooray for bonus seeds!! I hope the one you saved will sprout for you, Amy! Lovely update, and glad to see you around once again!
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