2014 HeavyWeights Duke It Out for the Silver Coin

[c526]

Re: 2014 HeavyWeights Duke it out for the Silver Coin with Rock Nutrients

looking at the Rock Absorbalight Foliar Spray, its not cheap,But neither is the D/M. Excluding the results,what one would have more mileage?

the D/M goes forever

 

[TheCapn]

Re: 2014 HeavyWeights Duke it out for the Silver Coin with Rock Nutrients

the D/M goes forever

Yeah I've had my DM for two years and only used about 2/3rds of it.

 

[s1ingblade]

Re: 2014 HeavyWeights Duke it out for the Silver Coin with Rock Nutrients

OK you ask, you receive
The entry plant is the one on the left, the second pic shows which food line they're getting, the PPM PH wall meter is reading the rock fusion grow and they're supercharge root tonic
I didn't bother to show the Advanced Nutrients solution cause we all know its "Perfect!" lol NOT!!

I hope you all understand right now I have so much going on its all I can do to post three pics and type out 3 sentences. Hopefully by the time we go to flower I will have more time to dedicate to this Duke out, sorry.

 

[c526]

Re: 2014 HeavyWeights Duke it out for the Silver Coin with Rock Nutrients

good stuff-Sl1ng comes back with an = jab

Take care of your life,We are the internet,we can Wait,pics when if/you can.

 

[WackyTobaki]

Re: 2014 HeavyWeights Duke it out for the Silver Coin with Rock Nutrients

I know what you mean about stuff to do, my indoor grows are not getting their attention they deserve cause spending all my free time trimming the outdoor beasts. Did not help that I got sick as a dog over weekend.

 

[s1ingblade]

Re: 2014 HeavyWeights Duke it out for the Silver Coin with Rock Nutrients

good stuff-Sl1ng comes back with an = jab

Take care of your life,We are the internet,we can Wait,pics when if/you can.

Thanks BFAM = brother from another mother

I know what you mean about stuff to do, my indoor grows are not getting their attention they deserve cause spending all my free time trimming the outdoor beasts. Did not help that I got sick as a dog over weekend.

Hey WackyT I hope you get to feeling better asap

 

[Light Addict]

Re: 2014 HeavyWeights Duke it out for the Silver Coin with Rock Nutrients

Looking healthy and happy buddy! We all understand life gets in the way of things, so don't stress just take care of yourself and yours my friend. No ones going anywhere

 

[Hiddenkoncept]

Re: 2014 HeavyWeights Duke it out for the Silver Coin with Rock Nutrients

This is amazing, I'm just upset I'm catching it so late!
As a fellow cap'n style convert and I cannot wait to read through and catch up!

 

[s1ingblade]

Re: 2014 HeavyWeights Duke it out for the Silver Coin with Rock Nutrients

This is amazing, I'm just upset I'm catching it so late!
As a fellow cap'n style convert and I cannot wait to read through and catch up!

No worries hiddenkoncept the grow is still early and the good stuffs coming soon.
I think its the first week of next month that we will put them into 12/12. I think the capn is going to make his plant do a back flip and mine wil do a front flip haha

Whats going on cap?

 

[s1ingblade]

Re: 2014 HeavyWeights Duke it out for the Silver Coin with Rock Nutrients

Watch out cap'n I transplanted the entry plant!

Threw the 5 gallon bucket in there to give you something to judge it against. It's now in a #3 Nursery Pot and will go into a 5 gallon air pot next. I hate to burst bubbles but so far I am not seeing even as good of growth from the rock as I get from the advanced nutrients.
Ok so I will post another update in a week to ten days

 

[LumenNation]

Re: 2014 HeavyWeights Duke it out for the Silver Coin with Rock Nutrients

Looking good Sling! By any chance you get a shot of them roots?

 

[s1ingblade]

Re: 2014 HeavyWeights Duke it out for the Silver Coin with Rock Nutrients

No sorry lumen,
To be honest they could've been a lil whiter

 

[LumenNation]

Re: 2014 HeavyWeights Duke it out for the Silver Coin with Rock Nutrients

Okay the plants look great though I couldn't have guessed it. I guess that leaves me with a question for you gurus. What is the cause of roots not being white? Its obviously not root rot because your plants seem to be doing very well.

 

[Greenthumb J]

Re: 2014 HeavyWeights Duke it out for the Silver Coin with Rock Nutrients

I'm noticing that when i water to waste using grow cubes, if you dont allow enough run off, the left over nutrients in the rockwool dont get flushed out properly and they tend to stain roots near the bottom of the container.

The rest of my roots in the grow cubes are pearly white tho, just not the ones that will get the last bits of run off. Doesn't seem to affect the plants vigor one bit.


Capn might have a different explanation, as his roots are pearly white right to the bottom.. i'm guessing when he waters to waste, he uses a lot to ensure all the nutrients from the previous watering are flushed away.

 

[c526]

Re: 2014 HeavyWeights Duke it out for the Silver Coin with Rock Nutrients

Thats what I have also found,greenthumb j

So I quit with the dtw,and set up 5 gallons and water from the tote,still hand feeding each day,but also insuring that i get plenty of runoff
at weeks end,it get a res change,just like the big one.makes life easier when you dont have to mix a gallon a day.

 

[Greenthumb J]

Re: 2014 HeavyWeights Duke it out for the Silver Coin with Rock Nutrients

So then you're just doing a recirculating top feed by hand then and using the same nutrients over and over during veg?

 

[DRM Ranch]

Re: 2014 HeavyWeights Duke it out for the Silver Coin with Rock Nutrients

Cap'n style is top feed drains to reservoir style recirculation with 5 gallons of old nutrients removed and replaced with a stage specific nutrient mix in the reservoir weekly. Add in foliar feeding and the live tea, along with LST and just the tip removal to induce branching and you have the basic idea of Cap'n style.

DRM Ranch

 

[c526]

Re: 2014 HeavyWeights Duke it out for the Silver Coin with Rock Nutrients

So then you're just doing a recirculating top feed by hand then and using the same nutrients over and over during veg?

yes,I will send you a picture,as to not muddy up the title fight.

 

[Greenthumb J]

Re: 2014 HeavyWeights Duke it out for the Silver Coin with Rock Nutrients

Cap'n style is top feed drains to reservoir style recirculation with 5 gallons of old nutrients removed and replaced with a stage specific nutrient mix in the reservoir weekly. Add in foliar feeding and the live tea, along with LST and just the tip removal to induce branching and you have the basic idea of Cap'n style.

DRM Ranch

I am aware what Capn style is, thank you

 

[Hiker]

Re: 2014 HeavyWeights Duke it out for the Silver Coin with Rock Nutrients

Hey look! A thread with 2 of my favorite growers!


Better late than never. This will be a fun one to watch.

I understand the GH clone had a head start, but ROCK needs to keep up, and it's not keeping up. I also understand that a one - one "side by side" is not as accurate as if I were to have 4 of each. But this is redic. GH is obviously kicking Rock's ass. Wait... is GH a sponsor here?

I keep wanting to try something besides my trusty GH FLora, but then I see this and ask myself why?

would even love a pic of your current set up s1ing. If you have one without plants in it, that would be amazing to be able to get a good idea of how its all set up

"Excuse me, can you please move all those damn plants so I can see your room!"
A fellow setup/gear geek. I always feel weird asking for pics without plants.

Fri. nights were for street racing and hanging out with your girl lol

Friday is "Date Night". Married 13 years as of 9/25

I'd like to test an idea: A day or two before its time to change out the reservoir, add the tea right to it. Im pretty sure the problem would be how many of the microbes (if not all of them) would be killed by the high concentrations of synthetics.

Good info here, LN and thanks for the post. The way I understand it, is the synthetic nutrients are hard on the beneficial microbes, and that's why we keep adding the microbes weekly. Even in DWC, I have been able to bring back roots, from plants that had root rot so bad, the tap root looked like a stick, by using the tea. This is after all other remedies failed. Of course, in DWC, the microbes have no choice but to be submerged in the synthetic nutrients, constantly. So we know the beneficials do live ok in the salty nutrients. It's important to note, when I did that, I had my PPM at 300, not 800.

That said, it only makes sense, that pouring the beneficial tea at the base of the stalk, will give you the best chance at fully inoculating the root zone. Beneficials will find their way into the reservoir, at which time, will then get circulated around again. For me, I've discontinued using air stones in my reservoirs (for capn style growing) so I'm not sure if they could survive down there anyway.

For sling, and anyone else using air in the reservoir, you could literally "brew" your tea, right in the reservoir if you wanted to. If you did this, I would use a little less molasses. But this would probably only work in veg were PPM is low. Again, in flower where PPM is higher, this would be much more difficult.

EDIT: As ronnie points out below, brewing tea in your res can cause PH swings. Also adding too much tea will do the same thing.

Thanks ronnie!

I know all these posts are old, but hey I don't get around as often as I like anymore

My understand is the bennies die due to lack of food. In hydro, you have all available nutrients. In soil, the nutrients are in the composting materials, so the bacteria are feeding on that. That's why we add sugar to the tea brew. I think they die in hydro, not due to anything related to synthetic nutrients. I think they just starve. I have tried the heisenberg tea, but it did not work well for me. I'm growing cannabis, not bacteria! Now, I use Dutch Masters Gold Zone specifically to kill all bacteria, beneficial or otherwise.

I like gen hydro the best, and closely behind that is Dutch master. I like being able to call GH and getting someone on the phone right now and asking questions.

I emailed "rock nutrients" when I started this journal, and they STILL have not responded to my email.

To answer your "estimate" question, I just posted a blog entry similar to this, which might help you:

CapnStyle - Cost breakdown for initial costs, and recurring costs - Blogs - 420 Magazine ®

If you're going with the general hydroponics and want to get started cheaply, get the "go box" to start, and then buy the quarts after this.

I second the GH recommendation. Used them in the 90's and they worked awesome. I'm very happy I'm using them again 20 years later.

ssshhhh, just between us until I can get the new journal up... I got changes going on in my basement. Soon, I'll have TWO identical, side by side, bucket systems, so I'll be able to do a valid test of GH against the competition.

I've always wanted to take the slab, cut it into thirds and make a giant block and grow right into it!

In the 90's I tried a run (maybe 2 since I seem to recall dealing with the roots more than once) with the big slabs in trays. It worked, but I think the roots do better in a more granular type of media. Your crutons are probably the ideal if you want use rockwool.

No crushing. If the branch isn't flexible enough to bend it without crushing or hurting it, then move further out, away from the main stem, until you get to a part where it flexes easier.

I've seen others work the branch, to the point of crushing it slightly, and then there is a little kink (supercrop). What that does, is make the branch stay bent, so it won't pop up again. By tying it down, we don't have to disturb the plant and we don't put it into heal mode.

What you been up to, Shaft? Haven't seen you in awhile.

I'm a "crusher" I think. I like your goal of not forcing the plant to spend energy building supercrop knuckles. I still do it a lot out of laziness. I like to make my bends low too, so when the stems get stiff/woody I just apply the stress slow and steady. Sometimes I will squeeze/crush a little, but I find I can just flex the stem back and forth (yes I bend it the opposite direction too to weaken the stem a little) a lot and get it to start yielding more. It's definitely something you develop a feel for with practice. I think Capn already has the feel, I am just a little more vigorous.

After I've tied a branch down, I find I can usually untie it after a couple days and the plant will not rebound very much.



Capn, I gotta give you props for your journal style. It's like you're trying to create some sort of instructional material. I won't be surprised to see this style of growing continue to get more popular just because of how well you help others trying to emulate your methods. :Namste:

Sl1ng my friend, I feel your pain about making time to visit the family. We don't feel slighted when RL keeps you too busy.


Props to you both. Your plants look great!
BTW, was there some sort of shipping involved with Sl1ng getting that clone?