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Re: Icemud's Grow 8.0 - New Intelligent-Gro LED - 2 x IGRO-228 LED - Testing And Revi
Skunny,
I want to first off apologize to you for my last post. After further investigation of this issue of the panels being the same/or exclusive to Igro, I have found out that MY statement was in fact not accurate. I 100% believe in honesty and I try my hardest to only be accurate with what I present here on 420 magazine, so I will bow my head and I have no problem fessing up to when I am wrong or misled... and with my response, I am wrong, so I sincerely apologize.
How I found this out and what it means...(this is where it really gets interesting)
So after you wrote your post, I took it to heart to make sure that I was 100% correct in repeating what information I have been presented and/or interpreted to be true. I contacted the President of CTlite, and asked him what is different about CTlites panels vs Intelligent gro. He told me exactly this
At this point I was not even more unsure as to what to believe. I called David at Intelligent Gro to speak with him and why he told me that Intelligent Gro has a proprietary spectrum, and it is different from CTlite? When Intelligent Gro ordered their Generation 2 panels, David had worked with Ctlite in making changes to their original design, layout, Spectrum ratio Blend and specific Bandwidths, as well as other changes internally to the Intelligent Gro lights... (supposed to be exclusive to Intelligent gro)
Ctlite also created a newer version panel at the same time as David had his Gen II panels made and this design was supposed to be exclusive for Intelligent Gro. However, recently finding Ctlite has updated their pictures of a newer version panel it is looking identical to what David established with Ctlite to have made, they seem to be in fact the same exact product.
At this point whether CTlite actually did what they were supposed to, producing a separate blend/spectrum for I-Gro vs CTlite's panels is in major question now and Intelligent Gro is investigating the validity of this statement, by the President of Ctlite who is mainly responsible for R&D at CTlites. I quote, "so no any different with LED Driver or LED chips or spectrum".
Now with this being said, I already know that CTLight practices shady business and I have had my photos stolen from my grow journal here at 420 magazine, and used by CTlite without my authorization on Alibaba, 4 of their facebook pages, including the Presidents own facebook page. I have request 5 times now that my photos be removed, all of them, and they only comply to remove the ones I find. I keep finding more of my photos stolen on their (CTlite) websites, pages, and even on the brochures that were sent with my recent gen 2 lights. (By the way I am speaking solely on CTlite, not Intelligent Gro)
I am extremely pissed off that CTlite has Illegally stolen my intellectual property, again and again, and they have repeatedly told me that they would remove all of them and "apologized" to me but my photos keep popping up. The reason that I am sharing this as it shows that CTlite has poor business ethics, does not care about stealing and theft, and promote shady business practices.
Now the reason that I am sharing this background information with everyone, is because I already know that CTlite is promoting shady business ethics, and not to be trusted. Now on the flipside of this, I have talked with David of Intelligent Gro many times over the past few months and the actions of CTlite and their unscrupulous business practices is NOT a reflection of David, his staff or of Intelligent Gro company core values. (He is as pissed about this as I am about my photos)
David is trying his 100% absolute best to provide the growing community top notch products, and to provide a USA based company, that honors its 3 year warranty, and does do complete product checks and Quality assurance checks when the panels are received.
According to the President of CTlite, the lights are all the same. According to David, Intelligent Gro ordered a proprietary blend to be used with Intelligent Gro panels, and this is true. The idea of the white chips being moved out of the center cob from gen 1 to gen 2 was David's idea as he explained to me on the phone (along with other blend/spectrum changes/case modifications and internal modifications)... and when you go to alibaba, you will see that the panels they sell also have the white chips moved out of the center cob and in the exact same positions as the Igro panels and the exact same blend of LED chips.
So due to the unethical and scandalous business practices of CTlite, already displayed that they are not trustworthy, by stealing my photos, I almost can see that they probably took David's Spectrum (his proprietary blend) and made the changes, but then stole the blend and put it on all of their panels too. ******This is my speculation, but if what I am being told on both sides is true, than this seems to be the case.
It also seems that the drivers are in fact the same drivers used in Intelligent Gro and CTlite, and other internal components are the same. I know that when the Generation 2 order was place, David HAD also requested other internal changes such as the addition of quick disconnect clips to make it very simple to swap out the drivers IF they went bad, and CTlight did not comply with his order or request.
Since CTlite had no problem stealing my photos and using them without authorization I wouldn't put it past them that they also most likely stole David's spectrum recommendations as well?(again speculation on that last part but at this point it is back up by some supporting facts)
So I stand completely corrected in my statements in response to Skunnymonster's post, and my apologies to everyone for being misled in what I believed to be true.
Now I do want to point out that, IF Intelligent Gro is just a reseller/rebranding company,(by default and not by choice) I do know that David is all about providing the best customer service to his customers, and will do whatever it takes to honor his no hassle warranty, inspect the panels, and does truly care about his customers.
This IS something that CAN NOT be provided through CTlite, and this is what validates the comfort of ordering through Intelligent Gro, as you do have a US warranty, you do have US representation, and you do have someone who cares and don't have to deal with the hassles of importing/exporting through customs, as well as do not have to order larger quantities as you would have to do when buying directly through Ctlite as a distributor. (Ctlite does not sell to individuals only business to business)
So I wanted to clarify everything that I have found out over the past 24 hours, and also apologize to the 420 community for posting inaccurate statements based off what I was told, as well as recently discovered. (I uphold my integrity and honesty in everything I do and all aspects of life, and by me being misled with this conflicting information, I am somewhat ashamed that I have also repeated these untruthful statements to the 420 community, even though I did so unknowingly as the information I assumed was correct as coming from Intelligent Gro.
I do think David is a very good person, and I have no reason to believe that any of this confusion was a representation of his beliefs and I do want to say that I am happy with my Intelligent Gro panels, and they are working very well as my photos will show. David has been made aware of this message that I am now posting and he had no hesitations and encouraged that I share the truth.
I hope that all of you can respect the fact that I am coming forward, admitting I was wrong, and that I hold my integrity, honesty and factual information very high in my beliefs, as I truly care about the 420 community and plan to for years to come.
Skunny,
I want to first off apologize to you for my last post. After further investigation of this issue of the panels being the same/or exclusive to Igro, I have found out that MY statement was in fact not accurate. I 100% believe in honesty and I try my hardest to only be accurate with what I present here on 420 magazine, so I will bow my head and I have no problem fessing up to when I am wrong or misled... and with my response, I am wrong, so I sincerely apologize.
How I found this out and what it means...(this is where it really gets interesting)
So after you wrote your post, I took it to heart to make sure that I was 100% correct in repeating what information I have been presented and/or interpreted to be true. I contacted the President of CTlite, and asked him what is different about CTlites panels vs Intelligent gro. He told me exactly this
At this point I was not even more unsure as to what to believe. I called David at Intelligent Gro to speak with him and why he told me that Intelligent Gro has a proprietary spectrum, and it is different from CTlite? When Intelligent Gro ordered their Generation 2 panels, David had worked with Ctlite in making changes to their original design, layout, Spectrum ratio Blend and specific Bandwidths, as well as other changes internally to the Intelligent Gro lights... (supposed to be exclusive to Intelligent gro)
Ctlite also created a newer version panel at the same time as David had his Gen II panels made and this design was supposed to be exclusive for Intelligent Gro. However, recently finding Ctlite has updated their pictures of a newer version panel it is looking identical to what David established with Ctlite to have made, they seem to be in fact the same exact product.
At this point whether CTlite actually did what they were supposed to, producing a separate blend/spectrum for I-Gro vs CTlite's panels is in major question now and Intelligent Gro is investigating the validity of this statement, by the President of Ctlite who is mainly responsible for R&D at CTlites. I quote, "so no any different with LED Driver or LED chips or spectrum".
Now with this being said, I already know that CTLight practices shady business and I have had my photos stolen from my grow journal here at 420 magazine, and used by CTlite without my authorization on Alibaba, 4 of their facebook pages, including the Presidents own facebook page. I have request 5 times now that my photos be removed, all of them, and they only comply to remove the ones I find. I keep finding more of my photos stolen on their (CTlite) websites, pages, and even on the brochures that were sent with my recent gen 2 lights. (By the way I am speaking solely on CTlite, not Intelligent Gro)
I am extremely pissed off that CTlite has Illegally stolen my intellectual property, again and again, and they have repeatedly told me that they would remove all of them and "apologized" to me but my photos keep popping up. The reason that I am sharing this as it shows that CTlite has poor business ethics, does not care about stealing and theft, and promote shady business practices.
Now the reason that I am sharing this background information with everyone, is because I already know that CTlite is promoting shady business ethics, and not to be trusted. Now on the flipside of this, I have talked with David of Intelligent Gro many times over the past few months and the actions of CTlite and their unscrupulous business practices is NOT a reflection of David, his staff or of Intelligent Gro company core values. (He is as pissed about this as I am about my photos)
David is trying his 100% absolute best to provide the growing community top notch products, and to provide a USA based company, that honors its 3 year warranty, and does do complete product checks and Quality assurance checks when the panels are received.
According to the President of CTlite, the lights are all the same. According to David, Intelligent Gro ordered a proprietary blend to be used with Intelligent Gro panels, and this is true. The idea of the white chips being moved out of the center cob from gen 1 to gen 2 was David's idea as he explained to me on the phone (along with other blend/spectrum changes/case modifications and internal modifications)... and when you go to alibaba, you will see that the panels they sell also have the white chips moved out of the center cob and in the exact same positions as the Igro panels and the exact same blend of LED chips.
So due to the unethical and scandalous business practices of CTlite, already displayed that they are not trustworthy, by stealing my photos, I almost can see that they probably took David's Spectrum (his proprietary blend) and made the changes, but then stole the blend and put it on all of their panels too. ******This is my speculation, but if what I am being told on both sides is true, than this seems to be the case.
It also seems that the drivers are in fact the same drivers used in Intelligent Gro and CTlite, and other internal components are the same. I know that when the Generation 2 order was place, David HAD also requested other internal changes such as the addition of quick disconnect clips to make it very simple to swap out the drivers IF they went bad, and CTlight did not comply with his order or request.
Since CTlite had no problem stealing my photos and using them without authorization I wouldn't put it past them that they also most likely stole David's spectrum recommendations as well?(again speculation on that last part but at this point it is back up by some supporting facts)
So I stand completely corrected in my statements in response to Skunnymonster's post, and my apologies to everyone for being misled in what I believed to be true.
Now I do want to point out that, IF Intelligent Gro is just a reseller/rebranding company,(by default and not by choice) I do know that David is all about providing the best customer service to his customers, and will do whatever it takes to honor his no hassle warranty, inspect the panels, and does truly care about his customers.
This IS something that CAN NOT be provided through CTlite, and this is what validates the comfort of ordering through Intelligent Gro, as you do have a US warranty, you do have US representation, and you do have someone who cares and don't have to deal with the hassles of importing/exporting through customs, as well as do not have to order larger quantities as you would have to do when buying directly through Ctlite as a distributor. (Ctlite does not sell to individuals only business to business)
So I wanted to clarify everything that I have found out over the past 24 hours, and also apologize to the 420 community for posting inaccurate statements based off what I was told, as well as recently discovered. (I uphold my integrity and honesty in everything I do and all aspects of life, and by me being misled with this conflicting information, I am somewhat ashamed that I have also repeated these untruthful statements to the 420 community, even though I did so unknowingly as the information I assumed was correct as coming from Intelligent Gro.
I do think David is a very good person, and I have no reason to believe that any of this confusion was a representation of his beliefs and I do want to say that I am happy with my Intelligent Gro panels, and they are working very well as my photos will show. David has been made aware of this message that I am now posting and he had no hesitations and encouraged that I share the truth.
I hope that all of you can respect the fact that I am coming forward, admitting I was wrong, and that I hold my integrity, honesty and factual information very high in my beliefs, as I truly care about the 420 community and plan to for years to come.
