Amy Gardner Of Eden: Perpetually Organic

[Amy Gardner]

It’s like getting an update from the future!!

IKR! I love it

Happy “Birthday Month” to someone... it is absolutely ( @Graytail ) as smooth as it looks!

 

[Agemon]

That's a nice piece Amy. Load me a snapper!

 

[BeezLuiz]

How did I get 5 pages behind!? Oh well, all caught up now - I don't like to skip anything in your journal

Great discussions on the flower anatomy. I've bookmarked for future reference.

DDA: up close and personal

Love those closeup shots of the DDA - very bright and clean-looking buds!

 

[kelticBlue]

technically ‘inflorescences’, which is just a great word.

inflorescences, yummy...I am a word nerd.

 

[kelticBlue]

Here's a good infographic I found with these parts listed:

that is outstanding, many thanks.....

I think learned all those names in my green flower course but forget.

If it is ok with AG here is some close up of a plant I accidentally re-vegged, I have been making lots of mistakes as of late
I took these this morning and thought------->Kind of goes with the infographic

My poor re veg......I am such an idiot, lights going on in the middle of its dark period.

PCK--KC

• kelticBlue
• Jul 14, 2020

poor thing had first pistil, errrrrr....... stigma about may 21
i just cannot ......... about 5-6 weeks into flower then this
and takes me a week to figure it out

PCK--KC

• kelticBlue
• Jul 14, 2020

Just look at that top, arrrgh. Mechanical timer, user error. At least it is still alive.

 

[Agemon]

I had a plant hermie while i was on vacation. Breaker popped in the middle of flower and i was on vacation. Mine was further into flower though, you may be able to save it.

what are going to do?

 

[kelticBlue]

what are going to do?

I think I can get it to some sort of harvest. Little bit of stress test.

 

[Amy Gardner]

look at that top

That’s one confused bunny! Commiserations my friend - not on the plant, it will likely figure itself out, but on the promise it’s now lost.

Never know, maybe it will reflower and be huge!

 

[Amy Gardner]

No Time for an Update, Update ​

DDA is harvested - I got some lovely harvest photos and am currently too smashed energy-wise to do the rest of the process with them yet. You’ll see them eventually.

Meanwhile, the Sour Bubba has had a pretty happening stretch since we last saw it and I couldn’t be happier! It’s easily added 2’ and I thought it was stopping but this morning it looked like it had added more overnight, as they do. I’ve dropped one layer of risers, and need to drop the next but have to wait for help to do it. Hopefully tomorrow.

Just some quick snaps of the Sour Bubba to share today. Proof of life!

You’ll notice the un-topped Panama in the background too, getting a big stretch on and fully into flower.

It’s wonderfully monstrous I’d so love to be able to give it the tent all on its own. One day I will grow with that much space.

It’s nearly ready for another drink/drench. I’ve been thinking of hitting it with the Cationic drenches now but the overnight stretch means it’s not quite set flowers yet. I could still give them. Some folks do it at first sign of frost, I’ve heard. But right now I’m leaning towards a Growth.

That may change. I’m flighty!

Any brixers here have a take on that - Cat drenches before stretch has stopped? It seems like I shouldn’t, to my mind but I’d be happy to hear thoughts from others’.

And actually some sativas go on stretching forever so they must get cat drenched while that’s happening ... maybe I just will.

I will try to do a more full-some update soon!

Be safe everyone and stay medicated if you need it!

 

[syenite]

a plant I accidentally re-vegged

Oh no! Been there. Done that. Do you think you will allow it to fully re-veg or fix the light schedule and usher her back into flower ASAP?

Just some quick snaps of the Sour Bubba to share today.

Lovely stacking on those colas!

Any brixers here have a take on that - Cat drenches before stretch has stopped?

A bit embarrassed to ask this now after I've seen the term floating around so much. Can someone point me to the source of the Brix "recipe"?

 

[dynamo1]

Oh no! Been there. Done that. Do you think you will allow it to fully re-veg or fix the light schedule and usher her back into flower ASAP?



Lovely stacking on those colas!



A bit embarrassed to ask this now after I've seen the term floating around so much. Can someone point me to the source of the Brix "recipe"?

The source would be Doc Buds, but clueless as to the recipe

 

[Amy Gardner]

Brix is actually just a form of measurement for the level of sugars in a plant. High levels of brix occur in plants that are at their optimum levels of health and vitality and genetic expression.

Soils that help achieve this in a plant have been shown (at basic level) to be low in organic matter and high in minerals. There are a number of ways of achieving this.

Doc’s kit is one of them and as far as I know the only commercially available full system geared towards producing plants with high levels of brix - and it does so superbly.

It’s not the only way it’s just one accessible and very excellent almost fool-proof way

The general theory and practice is based on the (seperate) works of two horticulturalists/agronomists called Albrecht and Reams. (I’ll seek out some reference material when I have a minute).

Doc developed his kit through grows he documented here and I highly recommend them. He then worked with an agricultural laboratory who specialise in high-brix growing, to develop the specific products he was after and which make up the kit system. So Doc Bud’s kit is the result of a brilliant and obsessive mind and many years of R&D based on both Albrecht’s and Reams’ body of work and tailored for cannabis.

Before I used the kit I was working on growing in mineralised soils myself. Not high brix specifically but that’s what I was aiming for and that’s where I’m headed back to - the kit no longer being practical for me.

 

[Amy Gardner]

I found this recent post from @conradino23 , who grows high brix in his own soil mixes - not the kit. He’s been a major influence on me, both in growing philosophies and genetic interest in heirloom and landrace cannabis from around the world. I’ve learned an incredible amount from him

it explains a little better

It's not a methodology that can be explained in a paragraph or two, but I'm gonna try. It's based on work of William Albrecht, who came up with a very peculiar soil concept. In a nutshell potassium and phosphorus are brought to minimum and nitrogen is only slightly higher. Then soil is mineralised with calcium, magnesium, iron, zinc, boron etc. in the right proportion. The soil has to have the right CEC, right C:N ratio and the right level of organic matter too.

There's no spraying with sugars here, plant is stimulated to produce a lot of sugars instead, which can be measured by using a refractometer at home or tissue analysis in a lab. You'd have to take something that resembles a course to be able to prepare "high brix soil" yourself... which is why @Doc Bud came up with the kit, that allows to use the method without having all the "arcane knowledge". But he got banned together with a whole bunch of kit users recently and I doubt he'll be coming back.

I tried to explain how to prepare the soil from a scratch to organic and hydro growers, but they struggle with soil analysis, terminology and getting the ratios right. You need serious research and studies before you grasp the concept, which is why I've been usually sending people to Doc's thread, which is now closed. But you can still google him up if you're interested in trying the kit.

 

[syenite]

Just when I thought I was done nerding for a while..... you pull me right back in!

Thanks so much Amy! I had no clue about this entire area.

 

[Agemon]

I'm sorry I don't follow as closely as I did, do you wait for a certain height or the age of the plant before you flip?

I got my scorg set up last night, and the plants all splayed out. 2-3 weeks of stretch will hopefully fill the net out pretty good and hopefully I wont get too much vertical growth. The Lights are pretty close to the top of the tent I'll need to check and see if they'll raise any higher. In the past I've topped or supercropped at flip but I'm trying to fill the scrog. I guess depending on how fast it fills I'll be able to do either. I've separated my plants into two tents and will likely do one more shoot with the HiJack Auto and then hang it out to dry.

 

[Graytail]

Any brixers here have a take on that - Cat drenches before stretch has stopped? It seems like I shouldn’t, to my mind but I’d be happy to hear thoughts from others’.

And actually some sativas go on stretching forever so they must get cat drenched while that’s happening ... maybe I just will.

My first instinct was "no, wait another cycle". But I'm a late drencher. Especially if you're tired of the stretch, it might be a good time to find out how an early cat drench goes. I don't recall any of the early guys say that they regretted it. I vaguely remember that it tends to bring out tangier/sour? terps earlier in bloom ... The nugs would be tighter, too, but the size may be down ...

But it looks like a convenient time to find out.

 

[InTheShed]

A hair under an ounce. Pretty happy with that from 8 weeks of not much effort at all and 2.5gal of living soil

2g/day is a very nice return.

I’m going to be asleep pretty soon!

#goals

Here's a good infographic I found with these parts listed:

Great find HG, thanks! Are we all going to have to say bracts and stigmas now? No one will know what the heck we're talking about.

This NL isn’t doing badly, but it hasn’t exactly been firing on all cylinders. I also know it hasn’t really filled the pot with its roots (because of the remediating late transplant), another factor to consider.

I have been finding that after tranplant (scheduled or rescue), soaking the pot doesn't last as long as expected. The rootball in the middle uses up all the central water but doesn't have the new growth to take any moisture from the new soil, so though the pot seems heavy and wet, the center is dry and the plant looks wilty. I have taken to an in between watering of just where the original rootball is.

IKR! I love it
Happy “Birthday Month” to someone... it is absolutely as smooth as it looks!

Under the sea
Under the sea
Smoking is tougher
If you're a puffer
Take it from me
Up on the shore they smoke all day
Out in the sun they blaze away
No I'm not joking
Our buds are soaking
Under the sea

DDA is harvested - I got some lovely harvest photos and am currently too smashed energy-wise to do the rest of the process with them yet. You’ll see them eventually.

Looking forward to those whenever you get a chance to post them!

 

[Radogast]

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It’s nearly ready for another drink/drench. I’ve been thinking of hitting it with the Cationic drenches now but the overnight stretch means it’s not quite set flowers yet. I could still give them. Some folks do it at first sign of frost, I’ve heard. But right now I’m leaning towards a Growth.

That may change. I’m flighty!

Any brixers here have a take on that - Cat drenches before stretch has stopped? It seems like I shouldn’t, to my mind but I’d be happy to hear thoughts from others’.

And actually some sativas go on stretching forever so they must get cat drenched while that’s happening ... maybe I just will.

I will try to do a more full-some update soon!

Be safe everyone and stay medicated if you need it!

I'd do the cat drenches now. I had one sativa that Doc had me cat drench a 3rd time about 10 weeks into flower.

If cationic drenches have any relationship to stretch I would guess it might slow down the stretch and refocus plant energy on bud growth. If it does that, it might be a good thing. If it doesn't do that, I don't know why you would wait until after stretch.

 

[Amy Gardner]

very nice return.

I had’t considered that measurement, thanks! It’s good to know that it‘s good ’value’. It seems a friendly one for me and I have a few more seeds I’ve not had another one that’s quietened my mind quite the way it does. I hope that continues as it cures.

in between watering of just where the original rootball is.

i did realise my watering had been under par - in the airpot as well I think.

It‘s doing ok now - 2.2L every 3 days.

if you're tired of the stretch, it might be a good time to find out how an early cat drench goes.

I’m pretty sure i got that message psychically today

don't recall any of the early guys say that they regretted it.

That one too.

I'd do the cat drenches now.

The stars are aligning >

If it doesn't do that, I don't know why you would wait until after stretch.

I’m liking that logic. Exactly - looking at it today i thought “yep - that’s plenty tall, so why wouldn’t i?”

looks like a convenient time to find out.

I’m doing it 1st thing lights-on, in 9hrs

Thanks My dudes!

#goals

that too. I’m to sleep now, goodnight

 

[kelticBlue]

Never know, maybe it will reflower and be huge!

Oh yes please, but anything is Okay with me.
..... All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.

Oh no! Been there. Done that. Do you think you will allow it to fully re-veg or fix the light schedule and usher her back into flower ASAP?

I switched it back, flower on, I must have been cleaning near the timer and pushed in the pins during the dark cycle. I should have caught it earlier. I also have a supplemental light lil 70 watter that has far red in it, hopefully trigger the flower cycle back, more info here---> Icemuds experimentation with far red..... Emerson Effect, I believe it can hurt final weight in the harvest but I think I will give it a go and stop the far red 15 min after light out for the ~last 2 weeks.

I’m to sleep now, goodnight

I came to see the Sour Bubba but whoa that Panama has it going.
1984 that song came out, twas the same year I was kicked out of the punk rock band I was in, it seems I was not serious enough?


Nite nite