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Bamalabrat
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ROFL...VLAD i would if I could man. As soon as you get it going, let me know. Love keeping up with yours as well.
TYVM Shiggity. I will be defoling again in two more weeks. The thinking in that journal I referred to is this, defol preflip, at 21 days, and 40 days. Pretty much every 20 days. The canopy fills in so fast prior to the 40 days. After wards I do not think the canopy will fill in so fast. This will be about a 70 day flower for me. So I am thinking that a major defol on day 40 (which is basically a lolipoping) will be enough. I do not think the canopy will fill in that tightly afterwards. If this was pure sativa with like a 90 day or more flower I would probably defol again after the 40 day one.
This is a pretty new theory to me. I know there are so many people out there that say defol is blasphamy. However defol does occur naturally. Also if I had the power of the great yellow HPS in the sky, I would not worry about defol. However, an inside led grow has only limited amount of par and spectrum and stuff. Therefore, I want to use garden management to concentrate the highest amount of light energy to the greatest number of budsites. This means I have to defol and keep a very dense volume in a small area.
So for that other journal, he set his volume are at 3 feet cubed. He had learned that was the most that his light would penetrate and be usable. Then he would train his plants by screen, cropping, and defol to make sure the light got into the interior and could fill the 3 cubic feet. His results are pretty phenomenal. Seriously. So I had great success my first grow, but only at the colas. I had loads of bud sites below the 10 inch mark. But nothing usable below that. I tried a little defol, but at the wrong time and in the wrong way. I also had no canopy management to speak of. The only reason I had a really good yield was how big my plants were prior to flip.
So this time I have clones of my two biggest PPP from last grow plus one little Tut. I am cropping the crap out of the plants and using a screen to spread out and fill in the middle of the tent. I have very little growing on the sides. My tops are not casting as much of a shadow over everything below them as they did last time. They are only 3 feet tall where as last time they were 5 -6 foot tall. This means that even my little branches are getting canopy light. That defol on day 21 really helped to jumpstart the little budsites in the interior. They are mostly covered over again, but I am trying not to keep pulling leaves between the defols.
Well anyway, I rambled enough. Sometimes I just have to put down in writing the things in my head. I will say it is hard to pick a style of grow and stick with it. It is easy to get caught up chasing every shiny thing. (Squirrel!) But this is the method I decided on at the beginning of this grow, so I will stick with it. Really expect some great stuff from this. I hope people can see that even with a small space and a bunch of planning and patience you can produce a surprising amount of bud. I love spitz and jojo's setups. And FE with that big ol' basement being put to productive use. You just have to asses your rescorces and skill set, then develop a plan that you feel gives you a chance at success. Good luck to everyone and have a great weekend.
TYVM Shiggity. I will be defoling again in two more weeks. The thinking in that journal I referred to is this, defol preflip, at 21 days, and 40 days. Pretty much every 20 days. The canopy fills in so fast prior to the 40 days. After wards I do not think the canopy will fill in so fast. This will be about a 70 day flower for me. So I am thinking that a major defol on day 40 (which is basically a lolipoping) will be enough. I do not think the canopy will fill in that tightly afterwards. If this was pure sativa with like a 90 day or more flower I would probably defol again after the 40 day one.
This is a pretty new theory to me. I know there are so many people out there that say defol is blasphamy. However defol does occur naturally. Also if I had the power of the great yellow HPS in the sky, I would not worry about defol. However, an inside led grow has only limited amount of par and spectrum and stuff. Therefore, I want to use garden management to concentrate the highest amount of light energy to the greatest number of budsites. This means I have to defol and keep a very dense volume in a small area.
So for that other journal, he set his volume are at 3 feet cubed. He had learned that was the most that his light would penetrate and be usable. Then he would train his plants by screen, cropping, and defol to make sure the light got into the interior and could fill the 3 cubic feet. His results are pretty phenomenal. Seriously. So I had great success my first grow, but only at the colas. I had loads of bud sites below the 10 inch mark. But nothing usable below that. I tried a little defol, but at the wrong time and in the wrong way. I also had no canopy management to speak of. The only reason I had a really good yield was how big my plants were prior to flip.
So this time I have clones of my two biggest PPP from last grow plus one little Tut. I am cropping the crap out of the plants and using a screen to spread out and fill in the middle of the tent. I have very little growing on the sides. My tops are not casting as much of a shadow over everything below them as they did last time. They are only 3 feet tall where as last time they were 5 -6 foot tall. This means that even my little branches are getting canopy light. That defol on day 21 really helped to jumpstart the little budsites in the interior. They are mostly covered over again, but I am trying not to keep pulling leaves between the defols.
Well anyway, I rambled enough. Sometimes I just have to put down in writing the things in my head. I will say it is hard to pick a style of grow and stick with it. It is easy to get caught up chasing every shiny thing. (Squirrel!) But this is the method I decided on at the beginning of this grow, so I will stick with it. Really expect some great stuff from this. I hope people can see that even with a small space and a bunch of planning and patience you can produce a surprising amount of bud. I love spitz and jojo's setups. And FE with that big ol' basement being put to productive use. You just have to asses your rescorces and skill set, then develop a plan that you feel gives you a chance at success. Good luck to everyone and have a great weekend.
may not feel as bad hopefully... and next time put them in a more conspicuous spot...I consider that seed abuse.. cut that shit out.....
